Stable Diffusion, NovelAI, Machine Learning Art - AI art generation discussion and image dump

[Pendulous Dong]

 

[Monkey Pink]

r/DefendingAIArt - The law is actually clear on this, it is not theft, it does not need consent.

47 votes and 52 comments so far on Reddit

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r/DefendingAIArt - Nobody should care about artist consent

49 votes and 89 comments so far on Reddit

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[Potatoherder]

Another based /g/ post about AI art vs Modern Art:

This hits the nail right on the head. There has a been a grand conspiracy to deprive the population of beautiful and and cool stuff.

 

[Pendulous Dong]

This hits the nail right on the head. There has a been a grand conspiracy to deprive the population of beautiful and and cool stuff.

I don't think there's any conspiracy, it's more that it's cheaper to teach people a single simple, unified artstyle so that if a hired artist suddenly wants to get paid a decent wage it's simple to replace him. This all comes down to what's best for the bottom line. If you hire a relative unknown with a unique style you can pay him peanuts, but once he gains a following and a reputation you have to start raising his pay to keep him onboard, and if you've built your brand on his art then you basically have no choice. Hell, if he dies then his style might die with him.

With automation, your machines don't even have to be better than a human, just cheaper and good enough, but in a few years AI art will likely be good enough and consistent enough that beautiful art will become the norm. Even the beautiful stuff will be cheaper than hiring a real human to do a hundred bland, ugly, Corporate Memphis illustrations.

 

[themasterlurker]

Didn't see this linked yet, figured it at least warranted a post because it sparked a lot of discussion in the comments (and as I type this, a ratio of 9k likes to 4k dislikes):

The biggest thing with artists is that they agreed to the terms and conditions that the material they upload can be sold or used by third-parties, nobody has a problem with Google or Shodan scraping the internet, but when small entities that they have the power to get mad at can actually be targetted, that's who they go after.

edit: I would also like to mention that big tech has been manipulating laws for years to allow for this stuff, and it could have been prevented if people didn't become so reliant on the Internet, perhaps in the future you'll have to sign an NDA with your patrons/customers to not upload the image online, or you would have to do a transfer of ownership rights etc

 

[Catgirls are Love]

I've started experimenting with the new release of Waifu Diffusion and my initial impressions are that it feels like a more restrictive Anything V3.0 with an overwhelmingly heavy emphasis on visual-novel style anime images. Not entirely sure whether or not it's an improvement over prior versions but it does feel a lot more stylistically consistent (but also less variety in styles by default).

Got to love my second test image, though. It was not at all what I asked for.

The AI is truly coming for everyone's jobs.

 

[A Hot Potato]

Prompts that work well for NovelAI don't necessarily play nice with other models so some experimentation may be required. For example, "catgirl" is generally handled well in NovelAI but with other models it goes more furry/blends a girl with a cat/has a girl holding a cat thus "cat ears" is best used instead.

Also, keep in mind NovelAI's model uses a different Clip Skip setting than most models, so maybe double check and make sure that reset when you changed models. Hopefully I'll have time to play with the new Waifu model tonight, but I also just downloaded several other models I want to play with...where does all of my spare time go.

Setting the Clip Skip back down to 1 helped things quite a bit.

It's still not the leap I was hoping for over Novel A.I, but at least it's not utter dogshit now either.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

Peter Griffin in a cyberpunk city.

Real Life Edition.

 

[Potatoherder]

It seems the wd 1.4 model really likes the 'masterpiece, best quality' tokens. First one was without those token and second one was with. using the prompt '1girl, nun' and same seed.

 

[Scavenger]

Most of the "artists" seething about AI are talentless hacks who live off drawing generic, low effort, copy-and-paste anime profile pictures on commission, and they are pissed that AI can do it better (and for free). They should either get a job or actually learn to make decent art.

The art industry/community has ALWAYS been a rat race. Art was never a stabile industry to begin with and will continue to be fucked.

Still fucking disapointed no one generated my requests of:
Keffals as ronnie mcnutt.
Transgender women in an isis execution video.

I'm lazy and poor to afford a prescription.

 

[Diabetical Materialism]

Didn't see this linked yet, figured it at least warranted a post because it sparked a lot of discussion in the comments (and as I type this, a ratio of 9k likes to 4k dislikes):

This is just a soyjak justifying his use of AI for his shitty webcomic or book covers for an hour and a half. There's a whole twitter thread of people responding to his individual points, especially regarding what 'fair use' entails in copyright law, and him in turn responding to literally every person in the thread by just telling them they didn't understand the video instead of engaging with the criticism.

Oh yeah, I've seen this linked in the DefendingAIArt subreddit. Lmao at the dislikes, people don't wanna hear the truth because it means they're both wrong and they have to admit they feel threatened by it. It's just so pathetic at this point.

Another based /g/ post about AI art vs Modern Art:
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This is a highly disingenuous argument, because if beautiful art was being systemically denied to people then the phrase "trending on artstation" wouldn't be necessary for prompters. It mostly uses commercial art in its data set, which the end result ends up directly emulating. The "beauty" part comes from the fact that the input data is lifted from artists, many currently active, who are good at drawing and painting. It won't have any impact on the fine art market (AKA the banana taped to a wall market) whatsoever. The people it would most economically impact (if it gets to a more advanced level) are the people who made the works that ended up in the dataset to begin with. And this is where the fair use part comes into question (remember, something isn't considered fair use if it's a derivative work that aims to compete directly with the original work). It'd be more intellectually honest to just say that you're a copyright abolitionist and you don't care about intellectual property as a concept.

 

[Post Reply]

This is just a soyjak justifying his use of AI for his shitty webcomic or book covers for an hour and a half. There's a whole twitter thread of people responding to his individual points, especially regarding what 'fair use' entails in copyright law, and him in turn responding to literally every person in the thread by just telling them they didn't understand the video instead of engaging with the criticism.

This is a highly disingenuous argument, because if beautiful art was being systemically denied to people then the phrase "trending on artstation" wouldn't be necessary for prompters. It mostly uses commercial art in its data set, which the end result ends up directly emulating. The "beauty" part comes from the fact that the input data is lifted from artists, many currently active, who are good at drawing and painting. It won't have any impact on the fine art market (AKA the banana taped to a wall market) whatsoever. The people it would most economically impact (if it gets to a more advanced level) are the people who made the works that ended up in the dataset to begin with. And this is where the fair use part comes into question (remember, something isn't considered fair use if it's a derivative work that aims to compete directly with the original work). It'd be more intellectually honest to just say that you're a copyright abolitionist and you don't care about intellectual property as a concept.

You could say the same of flesh and blood artists who browse Artstation and say "Hmm, I want to draw like that." Every new artist draws inspiration from ones who came before, and tries to make a living while standing on their shoulders.

Obviously the only humane solution is to euthanize all artists, so that none have to suffer in this world of hurt.

 

[Diabetical Materialism]

You could say the same of flesh and blood artists who browse Artstation and say "Hmm, I want to draw like that." Every new artist draws inspiration from ones who came before, and tries to make a living while standing on their shoulders.

Obviously the only humane solution is to euthanize all artists, so that none have to suffer in this world of hurt.

The way machine learning handles data (fast access to a large library of high resolution data) is quite different from how a human uses reference material/inspiration/memory which will always be greatly abstracted due to the finite "storage" and slower "processing power" of the brain. The main difference is that the mind can fully comprehend what it's looking at whereas machine learning brute forces needing to do this by the sheer volume of data its capable of accessing.

But that wasn't really the point, was just pointing out that "reclaiming" art from the evil liberals isn't what it's actually doing. It's relying on data sets based on contemporary commercial art, which must already meet the poster's criteria of "beautiful art", since it's what the prompters are trying to emulate. The people it ends up competing with isn't wealthy gallery owners in NYC or San Francisco. It's just a dishonest argument all around.

I do think artists are overreacting to this technology, it has a lot of limitations which won't threaten artists for a long time.

 

[Scavenger]

This is just a soyjak justifying his use of AI for his shitty webcomic or book covers for an hour and a half. There's a whole twitter thread of people responding to his individual points, especially regarding what 'fair use' entails in copyright law, and him in turn responding to literally every person in the thread by just telling them they didn't understand the video instead of engaging with the criticism.

This is a highly disingenuous argument, because if beautiful art was being systemically denied to people then the phrase "trending on artstation" wouldn't be necessary for prompters. It mostly uses commercial art in its data set, which the end result ends up directly emulating. The "beauty" part comes from the fact that the input data is lifted from artists, many currently active, who are good at drawing and painting. It won't have any impact on the fine art market (AKA the banana taped to a wall market) whatsoever. The people it would most economically impact (if it gets to a more advanced level) are the people who made the works that ended up in the dataset to begin with. And this is where the fair use part comes into question (remember, something isn't considered fair use if it's a derivative work that aims to compete directly with the original work). It'd be more intellectually honest to just say that you're a copyright abolitionist and you don't care about intellectual property as a concept.

Ai art is intresting and sometime pretty cool in alot of stuff.
But the soyboy seems to just be a lazy peice of shit. If you have to relay on automation(in general not in art) you're just a faggot that doesn't want to work on something or wants to but wont put in the effort. Any creative endover is meant to prove to yourself that I can make something cool.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Shinji kun why are you such a faggot

Shinji baka gib me nother borger

 

[Catgirls are Love]

So here's a rough summary of my thoughts on the new Waifu Diffusion model thus far.

I know there's some VAEs provided on the repo page. I'd say don't use any of them; image quality takes a hit and color balance often tends to be more washed out. Also, best results seem to be when you define both the character and the background; if you leave the background undefined the character quality tends to notably degrade.

Once again, the model is rather consistent in its general style, though some of the medium type prompts have either been degraded or lost completely. I wouldn't use it as a general use model like Anything V3.0 or NovelAI; it's more like Hentai Diffusion 18 or Elysium AnimeV2 which both feel very specialized in a specific style (HD18 is decent at replicating scenes that feel like still frames from actual anime of the early 2000s, meaning kinda ugly whereas Elysium is like NovelAI's default style with more gradients/shading).

Another thing that stands out are that many of the eyes seem to suffer from some sort of noise in the iris. I don't remember if earlier versions also had this quirk but it seemed to come up often in my outputs. Didn't do extensive testing but it doesn't seem to bug out at higher vertical/horizontal resolutions like some models tend to do.

TL;DR - It's not a terrible model, but if you're already mainly using NovelAI or AnythingV3.0 no real reason to switch.

 

[Bring Back 2012]

Is there any good web alternative to NovelAI that I don't have to pay for. Something that's as good as NovelAI. I tried setting it up along with stable diffusion on my new laptop but ran into problems. Sorry if this is a dumb question.

 

[biggacracka]

Is there any good web alternative to NovelAI that I don't have to pay for. Something that's as good as NovelAI. I tried setting it up along with stable diffusion on my new laptop but ran into problems. Sorry if this is a dumb question.

You can try setting up NAIFU instead, it's the leaked NovelAI model with the same front end too so if you're used to it, it works the same.

Edit: Here's the link to set it up

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[Boulevard of Broken Memes]

Dall E feels like the most sanitised and corporate provider of this stuff. Usually it just rejects anything with real people involved, but I love this image from the prompt 'stained glass window depicting Richard Dawkins praying in a church'

 

[Monkey Pink]

Prompted ChatGPT to write me a copypasta from the perspective of a stereotypical Redditor, decrying AI art:

"Oh my god, I can't believe people are actually buying into this AI art crap. It's not real art, it's just a bunch of algorithms spit-balling ideas and spitting out something that looks halfway decent.

There's no creativity, no soul, no humanity in it. It's just a bunch of 0s and 1s following a set of instructions. It's not even close to the same level as human-created art.

And don't even get me started on the people who are claiming that AI will replace human artists. That's just ridiculous. Art is about expressing emotions and thoughts and experiences, things that AI can never understand or replicate.

AI might be able to produce something that looks aesthetically pleasing, but it will never be able to capture the depth and complexity of the human experience.

Real art comes from the heart, not from a computer program. So to all the people out there buying AI art and hailing it as the future, wake up and appreciate the real talent and creativity of human artists. Long live human art!"