Stable Diffusion, NovelAI, Machine Learning Art - AI art generation discussion and image dump

[Fireman Sam]

A thought comes to mind...
Would a similar tool one day be used to generate AI music? Like not just generating random sounds to a tempo, but done in a way that you would really struggle to tell the difference? Maybe even to the point where it generates its own samples and uses them in a similar fashion as a musician would to generate music that follows certain musical rules?

I know it has been done before, with uh, varying results (mostly shit). And as for voice synthesizing, I distinctly remember some sort of Adobe program being showcased in which it could basically replace words spoken by feeding it a sample, pausing where you want to change the wording and simply writing down the new words... Pretty neat, if it was legit... But either way, I can see voice synthesizing being much easier to reproduce than straight up entire musical scores.





And for the Hand Question, yea it's actually really difficult to draw hands, but the AI is struggling with much more than that, it's the fine details that have to be enchanced a bunch of times over, but if it doesn't really understand how joint structure works for didgits and limbs, with hands or feet or even legs some times (I've seen pictures where the legs contort in really weird ways), then it of course it can't really perfect something it doesn't fundementally know how to create. I suppose it's rather poetic really, artists use their hands to draw, they see them all the time, and with practice they can improve. And this AI is pure math, trying to desperately figure out what the hell these thin sticky points are that stretch out of the arm noodles.

Loooong ways to go yet.

 

[LikeRivenIRL]

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It took a little while to figure out ducks, but it DID get there eventually.

Are the robots with Novel AI too?

 

[BoomerSperg1922]

Holy shit this is incredible. My boomer ass got it working within 30 minutes and now I'm contemplating upgrading from my 1060 to a 3070+ to generate images at light speed because I'm having so much fun with this.

 

[YumeNoHero]

You know the funniest thing about that? Hands are a common thing that real artists struggle to draw; its often complained about in art circles, and even professionals sometimes draw wonky hands from time to time. I wonder why the AI is also struggling with hands specifically?

You'd think with 3d technology advancing to much in the last decades you'd think they will start incorporating 3d modelled dummy dolls for posing and use it as reference (which a lot of japanese artists and mangaka already use) but nooo, these shitter artists and AI seems to have common issues with hands specifically.

 

[Near]

Holy shit this is incredible. My boomer ass got it working within 30 minutes and now I'm contemplating upgrading from my 1060 to a 3070+ to generate images at light speed because I'm having so much fun with this.

Just make sure to refer to the chart before you make a decision. A 3070 is worse at making these than a 3060 with 12gb VRAM for example. And if you need a 3070+ then get 3080 with more VRAM

 

[3322]

Lets be real, this means that people like Shadman cannot profit off of hand drawn CP, if you think there was not a market for computer or hand drawn CP before this AI program existed you are delusional. At least now nobody can profit off of drawing it anymore.

Right, before if you were a pedo and wanted porn of your neice you had to pay someone like Shadman to create porn for you or learn how to draw yourself, quite the barrier to cross to get off. Now they can just generate millions of CP images of children they know with the click of a button. Boys in school can make porn of their female classmates and post it on the internet. Teachers can make it from yearbook pictures of their students. But this is somehow a good thing because Shadman makes slightly less money?

 

[BoomerSperg1922]

Just make sure to refer to the chart before you make a decision. A 3070 is worse at making these than a 3060 with 12gb VRAM for example. And if you need a 3070+ then get 3080 with more VRAM

Yeah I was looking at 3070s beforehand so I defaulted to that but I'll definitely be checking the chart. I wonder what prebuilts go for these days because I could probably stand to upgrade everything at this point.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

People are just putting too many prompts all at once instead of few more accurate prompts, refining the image then adding gradually in a more layered way. If an image is slightly off what you want use photoshop or other software to fix it.

all the panic about artists who are gonna be replaced by AI is overlooking the smart artists who will jump in now and use this tech to milk furries and corpos dry before it becomes actually capable of making long term pornography and other types of image that people want constantly.

the day an AI makes proper image macros, i can be happy.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Right, before if you were a pedo and wanted porn of your neice you had to pay someone like Shadman to create porn for you or learn how to draw yourself, quite the barrier to cross to get off. Now they can just generate millions of CP images of children they know with the click of a button. Boys in school can make porn of their female classmates and post it on the internet. Teachers can make it from yearbook pictures of their students. But this is somehow a good thing because Shadman makes slightly less money?

I get what you are saying, but for fuck sakes you are making a libertarian argument over this even though I know you lean right. If you want this technology gone then you should also give up guns because a small percentage of people will misuse the technology and murder someone. It is a flawed argument through and through the usefulness to the masses far outweigh the shitty misuse of the technology by a small percentage of people. We should never find the cure for cancer because if we do it would indirectly aid pedophiles even though the rest of the population would find use in it is the argument you are essentially making. Is it shitty yes but the fucking genie is already out of the bottle what do you want to do get it banned? See this is a reason why conservatives are also shitty leaders they just want to ban different shit without any actual thought put into it.

 

[CircuSphere]

Yeah I was looking at 3070s beforehand so I defaulted to that but I'll definitely be checking the chart. I wonder what prebuilts go for these days because I could probably stand to upgrade everything at this point.

Don't do prebuilt the markup is insane, if you can swap a card you can build from scratch. Use something like PCpartpicker and make a cohesive/compatible build/shop parts, then ask people there/here/elsewhere to double check it for you. You can browse builds there as well.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

I get what you are saying, but for fuck sakes you are making a libertarian argument over this even though I know you lean right. If you want this technology gone then you should also give up guns because a small percentage of people will misuse the technology and murder someone. It is a flawed argument through and through the usefulness to the masses far outweigh the shitty misuse of the technology by a small percentage of people. We should never find the cure for cancer because if we do it would indirectly aid pedophiles even though the rest of the population would find use in it is the argument you are essentially making. Is it shitty yes but the fucking genie is already out of the bottle what do you want to do get it banned? See this is a reason why conservatives are also shitty leaders they just want to ban different shit without any actual thought put into it.

whaaaaat? come on, i'm sure that no one would ever use 'protecting children' to do things like try and take away gun rights or civil liberties.

 

[3322]

I get what you are saying, but for fuck sakes you are making a libertarian argument over this even though I know you lean right. If you want this technology gone then you should also give up guns because a small percentage of people will misuse the technology and murder someone. It is a flawed argument through and through the usefulness to the masses far outweigh the shitty misuse of the technology by a small percentage of people. We should never find the cure for cancer because if we do it would indirectly aid pedophiles even though the rest of the population would find use in it is the argument you are essentially making. Is it shitty yes but the fucking genie is already out of the bottle what do you want to do get it banned? See this is a reason why conservatives are also shitty leaders they just want to ban different shit without any actual thought put into it.

This AI was made to generate porn, there is little to no usefulness to anyone but coomers and pedophiles. Nothing else it makes looks even remotely good. The benefits of not having pornbot 9000 around to create CP and coom material for deranged degenerates who can't get off unless their waifu fits their very specific fetish perfectly far outweighs the cons. I'm not a libertarian for saying something should be banned, libertarians are all pro CP in case you haven't noticed yet that they are all lolicons. I am conservative and I argue for banning porn alltogether, of course I would also argue for banning this. Society can't thrive if people are all stuck in their homes making AI porn and cooming all day.

 

[Hunter Diego]

Man, these computer demons make some good art. They mess guns up a little bit, but it's still cool.

Prompt was Santa in a snowy Detroit with an Ak-47

 

[NevskyProspekt]

Sadly those who sound the alarm always seem to act as if Skynet AI will completely redefine "art" to replace the human element. It does not. It is merely a tool to enable the less talented to create images from their own ideas. What is so tragic about this?

A response from the amateur art scene that is all about personal greed and entitlement will not win sympathy. If an artist's work is good, it will speak for itself, no matter what tools the competition employs.

I think a valid counterargument to this is the risk posed by disincentivizing the less 'talented'/skilled to hone their craft so that they don't have to be as reliant on AI to produce their own art. In the short term we won't see this on a large scale, but I suspect it will have a knock-on effect in the long term. Sure, current highly talented and established artists are secure in their jobs but as people in this thread have stated before, this will make getting one's foot in the door for up-and-comers all the more difficult. What happens when the current crop of highly talented artists start to retire or die out? I'm not making a prediction one way or the other, but I think these are legitimate concerns worth taking into consideration.

 

[Cats]

all this new fangled gobbledy gook is a horrible waste of resources. ai produced objectively perfect imagery years ago.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Right, before if you were a pedo and wanted porn of your neice you had to pay someone like Shadman to create porn for you or learn how to draw yourself, quite the barrier to cross to get off. Now they can just generate millions of CP images of children they know with the click of a button. Boys in school can make porn of their female classmates and post it on the internet. Teachers can make it from yearbook pictures of their students. But this is somehow a good thing because Shadman makes slightly less money?

Do you think pedos wouldn't A: pirate CP and B: freely share some?
Or that nobody has photoshopped or drawn people they known in pornographic material?
I'm gonna ask you what your actual problem with this is because this feels like outrage looking for a cause.

 

[Bloitzhole]

I am conservative and I argue for banning porn altogether

So no erotic literature either I reckon?

Society can't thrive if people are all stuck in their homes making AI porn and cooming all day.

You sound like you spend too much time looking at or associating with "internet people". Only social rejects, a rather small percentage of society, sit at home and coom all day - whether they do so with AI art or with pornhub makes no difference.
Normal people watch/read porn every once in a while to get their rocks off when their significant other is unavailable or indisposed (or it's just more convenient to go solo) and don't let a base urge run their life. And when there isn't porn, you can just go off memory / imagination, the visual aid is optional for most.
It's like being against fast food or packaged food that does not require cooking because surely it will turn literally everyone into 600lb deathfats.

The AI generates based on the model it is given. After a mere couple of months, it has a lot of coomer stuff and a lot of fantasy stuff - because that's what tech sector people happen to like to generate for fun.
If you want to put it to a productive use that doesn't incense your conservative values, you could train it to create stable, sensible architecture. Give it enough blueprints of well built buildings, and it will spit out more blueprints conforming to those ideals.

 

[3322]

Do you think pedos wouldn't A: pirate CP and B: freely share some?
Or that nobody has photoshopped or drawn people they known in pornographic material?
I'm gonna ask you what your actual problem with this is because this feels like outrage looking for a cause.

I've described the problems I have with it and the impact it will have on real people several times now, I'm not going to repeat myself. Why would they pirate CP (illegal) when they can get something that looks exactly like the real thing but is AI generated (legal)? A lot more pedophiles will make use of this and the more indistinguishable it becomes from the real thing the harder it will become to persecute real CP. How do you think that's going to end? Maybe with them being forced to legalize CP because nobody can tell if it's real or not anymore? That's where I see this going. I know coombrains don't like to hear anyone criticize their porn-bot, but would you be fine with your neice or nephews being spammed with pornographic images of themselves on social media because some pedo decided to generate them based on what their parents posted on facebook?

It's like being against fast food or packaged food that does not require cooking because surely it will turn literally everyone into 600lb deathfats.

That's literally happening in the US right now.

whether they do so with AI art or with pornhub makes no difference.

You're right, both should be banned.

The AI generates based on the model it is given. After 1 month, it has a lot of coomer stuff.

Really says a lot, doesn't it.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

This AI was made to generate porn, there is little to no usefulness to anyone but coomers and pedophiles. Nothing else it makes looks even remotely good. The benefits of not having pornbot 9000 around to create CP and coom material for deranged degenerates who can't get off unless their waifu fits their very specific fetish perfectly far outweighs the cons. I'm not a libertarian for saying something should be banned, libertarians are all pro CP in case you haven't noticed yet that they are all lolicons. I am conservative and I argue for banning porn alltogether, of course I would also argue for banning this. Society can't thrive if people are all stuck in their homes making AI porn and cooming all day.

This thing only makes porn lmao. The dude that posted directly below you is having fun posting an AI Santa in Detroit with a gun....

 

[3322]

This thing only makes porn lmao. The dude that posted directly below you is having fun posting an AI Santa in Detroit with a gun....
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Nothing else it makes looks even remotely good.