Star Fox General Thread - One of Nintendo’s neglected franchises.

[starborn427614]

Okay, I'm gonna have to clear this up because I keep seeing people say Katt's a mercenary. She's never been a mercenary. She was part of a delinquent group with Falco, called a "bousouzoku" which is basically Japanese for biker gang. Falco was the leader and it was called FREE AS A BIRD. She's not a military person, she's a floozy biker chick, except the "bike" is a space jet.

Ah OK, thanks for the correction. I must have been confusing elements of the My Beloved Falco manga in my head.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Star Fox is the only Nintendo franchise I'm even remotely interested in beyond a passive awareness of, so this one isn't nearly as funny to me. Despite that, I can definitely see the resemblance and I'm almost certain it was at least partially an inspiration after watching it.

Star Fox’s the one series alongside F-Zero and Pokemon I love from Nintendo.

Then again, my F-Zero fixation is also a thing.

 

[Deinonychus Antirrhopus]

Star Fox’s the one series alongside F-Zero and Pokemon I love from Nintendo.

Then again, my F-Zero fixation is also a thing.

I liked Pokemon as a kid, but I haven't cared about it since I was in elementary school, and given I'm a Zoomer who grew up in the early 2000s you'd be hard-pressed to find someone my age who didn't like Pokemon growing up. I know absolutely nothing about F-Zero whatsoever and could not tell you a single thing about it even if my life depended upon it. Truth is, I've never been much of a gamer at any point in my life and I really only became a fan of Star Fox through looking at fan art on the internet and watching other people's playthroughs of the games later to fill me in on the context. The games themselves have never really mattered to me as much as the world and characters featured within them, and I have a feeling that probably puts me at odds with a lot of the other people in this thread in terms of what I expect from Star Fox. I'm sure people are going to start calling me a tourist or viewing me as a fake fan after I've admitted this, but I figured being honest about it would be the most respectable thing to do at this point, and I hope people will appreciate that at least.

 

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[Retarded Weeb]

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I know it was a different time and all, but how did Nintendo get away with writing Falco like this, like damn.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

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I know it was a different time and all, but how did Nintendo get away with writing Falco like this, like damn.

PRETTY SMOOTH FLYING, FUCK.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

I liked Pokemon as a kid, but I haven't cared about it since I was in elementary school, and given I'm a Zoomer who grew up in the early 2000s you'd be hard-pressed to find someone my age who didn't like Pokemon growing up. I know absolutely nothing about F-Zero whatsoever and could not tell you a single thing about it even if my life depended upon it. Truth is, I've never been much of a gamer at any point in my life and I really only became a fan of Star Fox through looking at fan art on the internet and watching other people's playthroughs of the games later to fill me in on the context. The games themselves have never really mattered to me as much as the world and characters featured within them, and I have a feeling that probably puts me at odds with a lot of the other people in this thread in terms of what I expect from Star Fox. I'm sure people are going to start calling me a tourist or viewing me as a fake fan after I've admitted this, but I figured being honest about it would be the most respectable thing to do at this point, and I hope people will appreciate that at least.

I can kinda related to becoming a fan of a videogame franchise by watching videos of it, because I was a poor ass kid who didn't got lunch money to buy shit, so my first contact to Star Fox were also videos.

Also I'm just a little bit surprised that someone mostly became a fan of Star Fox because of the world and characters, because both are a bit of a mess and I say this as a long time fan.
I mean Star Fox 64 is a little bit of a Star Wars knockoff and Assault too but with the Borgs from Star Trek (though honestly the Aparoids are cooler) while Adventures and Command are a weird mess. Even well known characters like Fox and Krystal are kinda wonky since the former oftentimes behaves completly different between games and the later has most of her story content tied to a messy half baked replacement story for a better plot that got canned.

Like ever since the games got popular it was obvious that fans would like to learn more about the world, but outside of being a generic scifi setting but with talking animals there is unfortunately not much going on. Hell like 40% of the official lore are random bits of trivia dropped during interviews from old producers.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Even well known characters like Fox and Krystal are kinda wonky since the former oftentimes behaves completly different between games and the later has most of her story content tied to a messy half baked replacement story for a better plot that got canned.

Krystal has the dubious honor of having been retooled to be a blatant walking sex appeal symbol to attract older audiences to the franchise, but instead became an early furry icon.
There's a 100% chance that if the 2026 re-re-remake game is successful and/or movie/s are made, she'll be given a more modest attire.

Hell like 40% of the official lore are random bits of trivia dropped during interviews from old producers.

Kek, didn't know that. That sounds bad indeed.

As for Fox, I swear he's seemingly the same heroic generic dude in every game (dunno about Command). I played the 3ds game and I know a little about the others, though.

 

[Retarded Weeb]

As for Fox, I swear he's seemingly the same heroic generic dude in every game (dunno about Command). I played the 3ds game and I know a little about the others, though.

Adventures was made and written by Rare, and while it's more serious than something like Banjo-Kazooie it's still pretty wacky compared other Star Fox games and has a lot of humor at Fox's expense, which makes Fox come off like a like more of a doofus in Adventures than he does in other games. He's not as off in Command because Imamura was involved in writing that one, but he still comes off kind of badly since he spends half is screentime being submissive over a soap opera relationship spat he's having with Krystal and he gets cucked (literally) by Panther in a couple of the bad endings. Doesn't help that the English localization of Command made Krystal more of a bitch who's constantly berating him.

 

[Deinonychus Antirrhopus]

Also I'm just a little bit surprised that someone mostly became a fan of Star Fox because of the world and characters, because both are a bit of a mess and I say this as a long time fan.

Like ever since the games got popular it was obvious that fans would like to learn more about the world, but outside of being a generic sci-fi setting but with talking animals there is unfortunately not much going on. Hell like 40% of the official lore are random bits of trivia dropped during interviews from old producers.

I totally get your confusion on that front. You're 100% correct about Star Fox's world-building being very shallow and inconsistent, but that's actually one of the main things that made me gravitate towards it so heavily in the first place. A big part of the appeal of being a Star Fox fan for me personally is being able to fill in the blanks of the world with my own headcanons and finding ways to re-imagine the stories of each game to make them connect into a larger, more tonally and thematically consistent narrative reminiscient of the great Space Operas of the past (Dune, Star Trek, Star Wars, you name it). The Star Fox games offer a premise just interesting enough to serve as an excellent jumping-off point for a much larger story while also being basic enough in terms of lore to give you tons of creative freedom in how you choose to interpret the world beyond what's shown in the games, and that's what makes me love it so much. Hopefully that makes sense, I spent a very long time typing this to make sure I had it explained as well as I could.

 

[The Lawgiver]

There's a 100% chance that if the 2026 re-re-remake game is successful and/or movie/s are made, she'll be given a more modest attire.

Oh so like her original design before they mashed the shit out of and butchered the nintendo 64 platformer rpg they reworked to have star fox as a secondary protag into a star fox game?


nah they'll probably just do what they did to katt.

Seriously though it is kinda funny that the mario galaxy movie basically did with star fox what this game seemingly was doing with him where he just shows up in a thing that isn't even a star fox game.

No telling if it'd be good or not but it'd likely have been somewhat better than adventures' end product going by the leaked prototype builds.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I don't know man. I like Adventures, it's my second favorite game in the entire series.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

I don't know man. I like Adventures, it's my second favorite game in the entire series.

Adventures isn’t bad. I just wish they kept the Kamarians and not go through with Andross.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Adventures isn’t bad. I just wish they kept the Kamarians and not go through with Andross.

The Star Fox parts of the game are the worst parts of the game I agree but they're few and far between enough to where for me it's just a good old fashioned Rare Ware game that happens to have a juryrigged Star Fox tie-in. I like it better than all the other Star Fox games that aren't 64 because it's by far the most well put together of that lot.

 

[GeorgeSmarty]

The Star Fox parts of the game are the worst parts of the game I agree but they're few and far between enough to where for me it's just a good old fashioned Rare Ware game that happens to have a juryrigged Star Fox tie-in. I like it better than all the other Star Fox games that aren't 64 because it's by far the most well put together of that lot.

I think the problem of Adventures is that it starts to implode in its second half, because it's very obvious that they didn't get around to finish many environments, so after the light foot village you don't get anything completely new on the surface of the planet and have to backtrack the entire time.

Meanwhile the worst thing I have to say about Assault is that the walking controls are slightly wonky and that the game has too many ground combat missions that sometimes last too long, but the end of the game actually feels much more finished since it actually has new enviroments for each level.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Adventures was made and written by Rare, and while it's more serious than something like Banjo-Kazooie it's still pretty wacky compared other Star Fox games and has a lot of humor at Fox's expense, which makes Fox come off like a like more of a doofus in Adventures than he does in other games

Didn't play that one. I only know that it was frankestein'ed with Star Fox parts, which explains why Krystal doesn't truly fit the setting.

He's not as off in Command because Imamura was involved in writing that one, but he still comes off kind of badly since he spends half is screentime being submissive over a soap opera relationship spat he's having with Krystal and he gets cucked (literally) by Panther in a couple of the bad endings.

I recall not liking the game because the stylus controls sucked ass. As for the endings, top kek, I didn't play that one for the reasons above much and I can't believe they got away with that much. No wonder everyone hates Command.
Also, Fox is literally blacked.

The Star Fox games offer a premise just interesting enough to serve as an excellent jumping-off point for a much larger story while also being basic enough in terms of lore to give you tons of creative freedom in how you choose to interpret the world beyond what's shown in the games, and that's what makes me love it so much. H

It's Star Wars with funny animals. Assault, for all of its faults, showed that the setting had potential.

Oh so like her original design before they mashed the shit out of and butchered the nintendo 64 platformer rpg they reworked to have star fox as a secondary protag into a star fox game?

Yeah no. She'll be redesigned to be plain, ugly and bland like the blatant history rewrites of RE 2-4. Unfortunately for them, that won't work as it's not named Star Fox 64 so the original still stands out. Plus it's like 50 jewgold for a 3h game that will be forgotten about in one month.
Future games may or may not fix this, but I can't wait to see how they'll uglify Krystal. The movie/s will of course ditch that horrid art style because it makes the average Na'vi look like a super-model.

nah they'll probably just do what they did to katt.

Exactly. Notice that not only she's fuck-ugly, she doesn't even resemble a girl because even furries must suffer the DIE policy now.

Seriously though it is kinda funny that the mario galaxy movie basically did with star fox what this game seemingly was doing with him where he just shows up in a thing that isn't even a star fox game.

In before Krystal in the future Star Fox games/movies will be a girlboss that uses Fox like a stepping stone. After seeing how in Mario movie 2 Peach randomly ditched her people so that she can go out adventuring (because we can't have the main male hero do that anymore, derp), I expect Krystal will be the main protagonist of whatever she shows up first with Fox being an afterthought.

It's boringly predictable.

 

[Gimmick Account]

Meanwhile the worst thing I have to say about Assault is that the walking controls are slightly wonky and that the game has too many ground combat missions that sometimes last too long, but the end of the game actually feels much more finished since it actually has new enviroments for each level.

Assault is solid, just not very interesting. It fails as a Star Fox on the basis of the campaign being something you'd play once and never really have a reason to touch again, but most games aren't judged on that basis, so it's fine. I'm not a "replayability" fag, it's just how the series works at its best. SNES is obviously built around graduating through the routes; 64 is a cool-ass puzzle that's different every time when you're figuring it out and has that "oh shit" moment when you realised what "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" means; I really don't understand how they could have forgotten this element.
It's great as a halo though (once you ban Wolf). I remember all the halo guys in college trying out my copy and gradually converting one another until halo night became assault night.

Command is also decent just for using some ideas from 2, but it also started the trend of Nintendo sadistically designing every Star Fox rehash to be a physically painful carpal tunnel shredder for some fucking reason.
They could add a million awesome course routes to Zero and you couldn't pay me to play it again with that fucking interface.

Adventures is good but not a Star Fox, which is what everyone has said since it launched. It's obviously somewhat clunky as a 64 game retooled to the newer hardware mid-development but a lot of early GameCube shit was like that. It's the standard 2002 vibe.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I think Assault is the perfect foundation for a new game in terms of formula.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Meanwhile the worst thing I have to say about Assault is that the walking controls are slightly wonky and that the game has too many ground combat missions that sometimes last too long, but the end of the game actually feels much more finished since it actually has new enviroments for each level.

Assault has generally poor mission design, especially on the ground missions. Nothing gels properly and combine that with Star Fox's legendarily shit AI (seriously why does every Star Fox game have the shittiest friendly AI known to man?) that means you're fighting the entire invasion solo and it gets old quick.

 

[X Prime]

The surest sign that Star Fox has been basically a dead series for years are all the fujoshi who came out of the social media woodwork saying they kept it alive with their smut the second news of the new remaster came out.