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Curzon Dax-sama said:
tells people that the world isn't what it's supposed to be.
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But it's not, in any Trek. They've all been political, in their own way, and definitely liberal in their ideals. There's an entire fucking movie where they go back in time to save the whales, my man. That's not to say that the newer Treks don't have their problems. But every Trek had its own issues. I remember when people got pissy about Enterprise and said it was terrible. That was over twenty years ago, now.
"Doctor gave me a pill, and I grew a new Kidney!"
 
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los pepes said:
It's the same ole "aww how cute vs eww human resources" meme. Bashir as you said early on is portrayed as comically awkward socially and therefore low status.
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Behr talks about about they had to rehabilitate Bashir on DS9. He never says why everyone hated him: he was just added as the station doctor for no reason. Crusher flopped, Pulaski flopped, now Julian’s flopping.

They course-corrected eventually, but man, they just handed him Harry Kim loser hijinks.

And Riker’s love life was perfect as you said. But his only skill was banging chicks. Berman era Trek was just Three’s Company tropes.

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OrionBalls said:
But it's not, in any Trek. They've all been political, in their own way, and definitely liberal in their ideals. There's an entire fucking movie where they go back in time to save the whales, my man. That's not to say that the newer Treks don't have their problems. But every Trek had its own issues. I remember when people got pissy about Enterprise and said it was terrible. That was over twenty years ago, now.
"Doctor gave me a pill, and I grew a new Kidney!"
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Just by the nature of politics, what was "liberal" 30 years ago is downright turbo conservative by comparison to today. Degenerate and retarded political shit was not a thing in classic Trek. Also, "save the whales" is not a "liberal" position, even back then.
 
los pepes said:
It's the same ole "aww how cute vs eww human resources" meme. Bashir as you said early on is portrayed as comically awkward socially and therefore low status. As a result the mere act of him displaying interest in a woman is a personal afront to her and women in general because he dared to believe he could even possibly have a chance with her, which devalues not just her but more importantly (to these type of women) the 99% of other women that are uglier than Dax. If he is shooting his shot at her he's not being available (even if only to reject) to fat middle aged danger hair cat millenials.

Riker on the other hand is socially confident and the second in command of a powerful starship. Definition of high status. For these women it would be a boost to their self esteem to be chosen for sexual harassment by him.
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Was he awkward? I remember Bashir coming off as too strong with the flirting, at least towards Jadzia, but I don't think I'd say he was awkward.
 
Late but.. Got forced to watch the first episode of SA, albeit i couldnt make myself watch full attention

Captain lisptard is.. Insufferable. And ive never seen a better portrayal of starfleet might be the bad guys themselves to the core as an ideology. (i did not watch all series so section 31 may outdo this. I have to compare to older trek and yes i know theres episodes that used to play with this idea but.. This?)

As a geek whose life was changed.. On a very odd trajectory because of old star wars, and old d and d, and with fond memories of old trek.. It kills me. Nothing i loved has gone uncorrupted. Programmer sock troons and the woke and the jeets have ruined my field. And the first two have wrecked every hobby or fun thing i have ever loved.

In the words of the only sci fi love i have left that got cancelled and hasnt been picked back up and destroyed yet-
Please god make me a stone.
 
Cactuar King said:
Was he awkward? I remember Bashir coming off as too strong with the flirting, at least towards Jadzia, but I don't think I'd say he was awkward.
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I guess it depends on how generous you’re feeling. Bashir is introduced as this annoying PMC type who shows up overdressed to a racquetball game, no situational awareness, he just assumes Dax and O’Brien and Kira are going to be thrilled that he's arrived. I think the idea is to use him as a contrast between the luxury communism of TNG and Bajorans who will smash a bar glass over your head as soon as look at you. In that sense, it works.

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The problem is that this is not actually a character, it’s schtick. Which is why it’s extremely lucky they put him in Garak’s orbit as quick as they did. Then he becomes an audience surrogate.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
I guess it depends on how generous you’re feeling. Bashir is introduced as this annoying PMC type who shows up overdressed to a racquetball game, no situational awareness, he just assumes Dax and O’Brien and Kira are going to be thrilled that he's arrived. I think the is to use him as a contrast between the luxury communism of TNG and Bajor, where people will smash a bar glass over your head as soon as look at you. In that sense, it works.

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The problem is that this is not actually a character, it’s schtick. Which is why it’s extremely lucky they put him in Garak’s orbit as quick as they did. Then he becomes an audience surrogate.
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I'd say that makes him naive, a little full of himself (and I think Kira says as much to him?) and maybe a little sheltered, but not necessarily awkward. I agree, pairing him with Garak was the right choice, Garak's great.
 
Cactuar King said:
Was he awkward? I remember Bashir coming off as too strong with the flirting, at least towards Jadzia, but I don't think I'd say he was awkward.
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He was, they even made him a babbling idiot around Miles to the point where he had to ask him if he liked him. He also put his foot in his mouth when he first met Kira talking about frontier medicine. His character was a good natured dork for the first year or two.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Everything modern must be dumbed down to a ridiculous degree to appeal to brain dead zoomers with no attention span and low IQ brown people.
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None of those groups watches star trek though. Zoomers don't care for a 60-something years old franchise and blacks watch trash media that's rap and violence.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
None of those groups watches star trek though. Zoomers don't care for a 60-something years old franchise and blacks watch trash media that's rap and violence.
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That's exactly why Star Trek is the way it is now. Because they're trying to court those markets.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
That's exactly why Star Trek is the way it is now. Because they're trying to court those markets.
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Not exactly. What they're actually trying to do is "decolonise" something they see as a Problematic White Cis Man thing. They know sci-fi exists for and by White men, and they hate that. So they are deliberately trying to destroy it.
They know it will lose millions of dollars but they don't care - it's not their money.
They know it will alienate the core fan base - that's not a bug; it's a feature.

With Leftists, never attribute to stupidity what can be attributed to malice.
 
OrionBalls said:
But it's not, in any Trek. They've all been political, in their own way, and definitely liberal in their ideals. There's an entire fucking movie where they go back in time to save the whales, my man. That's not to say that the newer Treks don't have their problems. But every Trek had its own issues. I remember when people got pissy about Enterprise and said it was terrible. That was over twenty years ago, now.
"Doctor gave me a pill, and I grew a new Kidney!"
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There's also an entire movie about Kirk and gang having to deal with the potential collapse of the space-USSR. Trek being political or "liberal" isn't the point. How it's done is. Back then, writers were competent and created stories with a mature taste. That translated into the characters - regardless of affiliation or motives - being competent as well. Today it's all about "deconstructing" things (make them shittier for the sake of it) and leaving the audience with the ashes. It's done to humiliate you.
 
Onto the episode where idiot Maquis crewmembers get mad at a hologram of Cardassian Mengele and would rather let Belanna die than use it. So you would rather your friend die and all the deaths from experimentation be for nothing than use the information? Also all the handwringing over killing the creature that is literally sucking he life energy out of your friend is so stupid.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Onto the episode where idiot Maquis crewmembers get mad at a hologram of Cardassian Mengele and would rather let Belanna die than use it. So you would rather your friend die and all the deaths from experimentation be for nothing than use the information? Also all the handwringing over killing the creature that is literally sucking he life energy out of your friend is so stupid.
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Almost as retarded as when in TNG they had the opportunity to destroy the Borg and refused to because it somehow counts as a species in their retarded ass minds. Picard is basically responsible for every sentient life assimilated from that point onward.
 
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