Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Xev]

The MACOs are the prime example of how you can have two branches of the service in the same spot having their low-level rivalry, but still work together professionally and learn from each other when SHTF. But we can't have that in the current year+11 anymore.

There didn't need to be a rivalry. Malcolm was an insecure retard and started that entire beef and refused to let it go.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

You just know that the writer was patting himself on the back for that one. They had absolutely zero idea what Klingons were like apart from the ‘warrior race’ trope so they thought they were so clever in choosing birdwatching of all things.

Doesn’t matter to them that they had years worth of shows/movies/multimedia that showed how varied Klingon culture really was. Hell, their biggest cultural export in the show is opera of all things!

Why not make him want to be something like a cook? You know, have him make Klingon and human dishes.

Some intern tried to explain that people liked Worf because he was a hyper-serious Klingon who likes prune juice and builds ships in bottles, and that got fed through the Kurtzman's liquified brain and emerged unrecognizable.

Also, it was shown time and time again that Worf had an idealized view of Klingon culture that put him at odds with other Klingons.

Maybe the dumbest role Malcolm McDowell ever took, which is really saying something because the ’90s were an all-you-can-eat buffet of McDowell shite.

Even dumber than the alien dog in Disney Channel's Can of Worms?

Lol of course Voyager had to get in a death penalty episode before it ended.

"Mass murderer didn't do nuffins. He had a medical condition that made him a psychopath."

And all of it delivered to us by Picardo in his most condescending voice.

It's basically a poor man's version of the euthanasia episode in TNG.

The weird thing about ST: Generations is how quick they get rid of the TOS crew so that the TNG one can have the rest of the movie.

Remember, an earlier episode of TNG ended with Scotty beginning life in the 24th century, so he could have easily joined the Enterprise-D crew in their search for the Nexus.

Like, imagine The Neutral Zone episode, but the people who wake up are the ones trying to comfort the crew because they're stressed at the idea of meeting the Romulans.

Hard to tell who's more obnoxious: early TNG crew who believe act like they're the best thing since replicated and sliced bread, or STA cadets who act more like grade schoolers when training to be officers.

They put a camera in his visor so they could find out the Enterprise's shield frequency. It was explained right in the middle, a "hilarious" comedy moment of Lursa and B'etor watching Geordi ggo about his day after he was rescued. I can understand why you missed it.

I know the Nostalgia Critic of all people pointed this out, but they seriously didn't make sure the Klingons didn't sneak a bomb into Geordi before he went back to work?

from? Voyager is hundreds of years away from Talaxia af this point.

Just imagine if the closest thing the Delta Quadrant had to a Federation, an alliance of major races like the Kazon, Vidiians, Hirogen, Malon, and Borg, was just to chase the Talaxians out of their turf.

VOY did the same shit. B’Elanna’s always on the bridge during red alerts.

Still not as bad as the time Neelix was stationed at a panel during the final battle in "Unimatrix Zero".

It is weird that this French guy would still be on the Federation flagship, but this is a funhouse mirror Q world full of cruel jokes in his expense.

Best part of the whole episode was Picard refusing to accept Q as God in any universe.

Overall it’s a good episode, though I’ll never fully buy young Picard as this bar-brawling, pussy-crushing legend.

I'd say part of the issue stems from the episode pulling a Quantum Leap with Picard in the past still being played by Patrick Stewart.

Oh, he had no bedside manner and was grating, sure, and his basis was an antisocial asshole, but he wasn't trying to eat gravel or whatever the fatass is licking. If I have the choice between the asshole doc and Fat-Retard-Who-Tries-to-Eat-Things-You-Shouldn't-Eat (Black Edition), I'm choosing the first one because I trust him not to try and snack on my gall bladder.

People get on Zimmerman's case for making the EMH an asshole, but it's established that he's only an "in case of emergency, break glass" program.

The other hologram was made for more than emergency purposes centuries later.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Just imagine if the closest thing the Delta Quadrant had to a Federation, an alliance of major races like the Kazon, Vidiians, Hirogen, Malon, and Borg, was just to chase the Talaxians out of their turf.

Expelled from 109 star systems...

There didn't need to be a rivalry. Malcolm was an insecure retard and started that entire beef and refused to let it go.

Who said anything about need? Anywhere you find two different uniformed branches, there's going to be a rivalry. It's a law of nature. Reed was only acting as nature demand.

 

[Zorak Prison Pod]

That's not the only standout Nog scene.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FcATQUFsz68One of my favorite DS9 episodes for Nog's incredible character development.

It is a great scene but I always thought Nog was being a little unfair to his father.

"I don't want to end up like him!" I mean the dude's doing his best. He just got married, he joined the Bajoran Militia, he works hard. What more does Nog want?

I guess it's a Ferengi culture thing.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

My fellow Trekkie they/thems, it's Joever...

 

[Captain Syrup]

"I don't want to end up like him!" I mean the dude's doing his best. He just got married, he joined the Bajoran Militia, he works hard. What more does Nog want?

I might be misremembering, but I’m pretty sure that's backwards. Sisko still had hair. By the time Rom is hired by O'Brien and improbably gets married, the Dominion War is half-over and Sisko’s shaved his head.

 

[Miller]

My fellow Trekkie they/thems, it's Joever...
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If it's a Doomcuck source then I'll wait until it's official.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were already renewed and started pre production for S2. Of course, they still could just halt it and can it, like it happened with Blade movie.

I give it a bit of chance of being real because the backlash has been terrible and this product is way, way worse than Discovery and Picard. It's shameful to be associated with the ST brand.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Holy fucking shit. I'm on to Enterprise and I think Dear Doctor takes the cake for dumbest episode in Star Trek history. Phlox is a God damn monster and Archer is an idiot. "Yeah, let's just genocide this one species on the planet so maybe the dumb species on the planet has a chance to evolve." Who fucking wrote this garbage? I've come to the conclusion that the Prime Directive is idiotic and none of the writers have any idea how to consistently interpret it so you get retarded episodes like this. With his logic, why even be a doctor? It's just natural selection at work if your patient gets sick and dies, let it happen Phlox.

 

[WelperHelper99]

My fellow Trekkie they/thems, it's Joever...
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I'm waiting on Paramount announcing this themselves.

 

[Phillip Green]

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were already renewed and started pre production for S2. Of course, they still could just halt it and can it, like it happened with Blade movie.

I give it a bit of chance of being real because the backlash has been terrible and this product is way, way worse than Discovery and Picard. It's shameful to be associated with the ST brand.

I read somewhere that they'd already filmed the second season (at least the part involving actors). This seems crazy, but who knows.

This is like the 20th time we've been told that Kurtzman Trek is over, so I won't believe it until that asshole is on the streets of LA OD'ing on purple drank with Andy Dick.

Only hope I get this time around is that Paramount recently came under new management, and they might finally be tired throwing huge sums of cash at a guy who's destroying one of their most profitable IPs.

Holy fucking shit. I'm on to Enterprise and I think Dear Doctor takes the cake for dumbest episode in Star Trek history. Phlox is a God damn monster and Archer is an idiot. "Yeah, let's just genocide this one species on the planet so maybe the dumb species on the planet has a chance to evolve." Who fucking wrote this garbage?

Enterprise has a lot of dumb episodes, especially in the first couple seasons. But that one is almost shockingly retarded. The instances of Picard being similarly casually genocidal in TNG are similarly stupid, although this episode is so blatant and ham-fisted about it.

For a franchise that was supposedly all about reason, logic, and ethics, post-TOS writers were consistently illiterate on any of those topics.

And as a reminder that the ancient Romans were correct about actors, Dear Doctor was one of John Billingsley's (Dr Phlox) favorite episodes.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Dear Doctor was one of John Billingsley's (Dr Phlox) favorite episodes.

I assume it's because he's the lead in that episode. Actors are egomaniacs first and I judge their motivations on that basis first.

 

[Gregg Turkington]

This is like the 20th time we've been told that Kurtzman Trek is over, so I won't believe it until that asshole is on the streets of LA OD'ing on purple drank with Andy Dick.

How does he keep doing it?? I'm sorry if this has been brought up before, but are there any numbers showing anything Star Trek related he has been involved with since Star Trek: Into Darkness has actually made money?

 

[Post Reply]

Holy fucking shit. I'm on to Enterprise and I think Dear Doctor takes the cake for dumbest episode in Star Trek history. Phlox is a God damn monster and Archer is an idiot. "Yeah, let's just genocide this one species on the planet so maybe the dumb species on the planet has a chance to evolve." Who fucking wrote this garbage? I've come to the conclusion that the Prime Directive is idiotic and none of the writers have any idea how to consistently interpret it so you get retarded episodes like this. With his logic, why even be a doctor? It's just natural selection at work if your patient gets sick and dies, let it happen Phlox.

I kinda liked that Phlox was a psycho who had to be constantly reined in. Better than ghost-sex doctor at any rate.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

I read somewhere that they'd already filmed the second season (at least the part involving actors). This seems crazy, but who knows.

This is like the 20th time we've been told that Kurtzman Trek is over, so I won't believe it until that asshole is on the streets of LA OD'ing on purple drank with Andy Dick.

Only hope I get this time around is that Paramount recently came under new management, and they might finally be tired throwing huge sums of cash at a guy who's destroying one of their most profitable IPs.

It's not unheard of for studios to cancel completed products, especially these days. Seems like a company will weigh the balance of releasing something that would be toxic to the brand (and more importantly the tax write-off) against whatever financial hit they'd take.

However, that relies upon the studio having a modicum for shame and this is Paramount we're talking about...

 

[Cactuar King]

So I decided to look at the wikipedia entry for the academy series and laughed pretty hard when I noticed not only is it locked to prevent anybody editing anything but the review section says this:
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Imagine writing that with a straight face. The series is getting fucking roasted by everybody and whatever troon or DEI mod they have making sure nobody mentions that, is clearly being disingenuous and trying to promote a blatantly dishonest view of just how badly this series has been received

Funny there is no mention of the youtube debacle either

Also, did anybody notice that stephen colbert does the voice for the dean of students? Why am I not fucking surprised. Just the cherry on the shit sundae that this series needed

The autists at tv tropes are being similarly shielding it too.

Barely any entries, and the ones that mention the flak had to add, "Oh, but the critics like it and some of the fans do!" Fuckin' pathetic that they need to run defense for this.

Poor Brian Thomson.

VOY has this thing where every time the Doctor says “hey, maybe holograms have rights,” the AI immediately turns insanely evil. Every time. No exceptions. "This hologram toilet-cleaner deserves dignity,” and the janitor’s like, “The only way to truly clean the ship is to murder the crew.”View attachment 8476769

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The missile one is the best. “This missile has feelings,” and the missile’s like, “I yearn to glass a planet.” Interesting inner life there.

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And the Hirogen holograms...remember that? The Doctor defects, commits mutiny, to help his fellow artificial beings, and then their leader is a psycho general.

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It’s so funny because it’s always framed like "Measure of a Man", right? VOY's solution to robot ethics is always just, “Don’t worry, turns out the robot was evil and shit.”

Personally, I did really like DS9's take on it, Shadowplay. But then, those holograms spend the bulk of their existence not knowing they were holograms (and maybe it being an Odo centric episode and Kenneth Mars being a Guest Star is swaying me a bit, he always was a favorite of mine)

It is a great scene but I always thought Nog was being a little unfair to his father.

"I don't want to end up like him!" I mean the dude's doing his best. He just got married, he joined the Bajoran Militia, he works hard. What more does Nog want?

I guess it's a Ferengi culture thing.

Oh, this was well before that, so at this point, Rom's still kind of the bumbling, goofy dad still working at his brother's bar. Besides, I don't think he likes shit talking his dad, it's just a harsh reality he knows exists.

 

[Miller]

I assume it's because he's the lead in that episode. Actors are egomaniacs first and I judge their motivations on that basis first.

It's not entirely an ego thing. An episode focused on a character allows an actor to do more than the usual couple of lines of dialogue.

 

[Phillip Green]

How does he keep doing it?? I'm sorry if this has been brought up before, but are there any numbers showing anything Star Trek related he has been involved with since Star Trek: Into Darkness has actually made money?

Hollywood accounting has always been opaque, but the switch to streaming means there's no independent source for ratings or viewership. The only source for profit and cost are official filings from the studio, which is better at money laundering than the Mafia.

You can review the Paramount's public Q3 2025 financial statements here. They report a total of 79.1 million Paramount+ subscribers resulting a projected Q4 quarterly revenue of just over $1 billion. Note they mention a number of Paramount+ exclusive streaming shows in the document, including Tulsa Kings, Dexter: Resurrection, and Landman, among others. No Star Trek shows are mentioned.

 

[Gregg Turkington]

You can review the Paramount's public Q3 2025 financial statements here. They report a total of 79.1 million Paramount+ subscribers resulting a projected Q4 quarterly revenue of just over $1 billion. Note they mentions a number of Paramount+ exclusive streaming shows in the document, including Tulsa Kings, Dexter: Resurrection, and Landman, among others. No Star Trek shows are mentioned.

I guess it's just a matter of churning out content to keep cattle paying for the service or bring more on board when they see the quantity of shows available. The whole system needs to go.

 

[Captain Syrup]

And as a reminder that the ancient Romans were correct about actors, Dear Doctor was one of John Billingsley's (Dr Phlox) favorite episodes.

I remember John being very diplomatic about the whole thing, stopping short of "this episode makes no sense and breaks my character in half.”

"I wasn't as happy with the revisions, but it's not my show, you have to sort of adjust, even if sometimes it does seem a bit of a contradiction in terms for what your character is supposed to be about."

So he had to invent a whole fake version of Phlox in his head.

You might be thinking of "A Night in Sickbay". He does the now-classic Star Trek move of punting responsibility by saying, well, you know, maybe old-school fans just weren’t ready for it.

It's the same with Risa episodes. Actors are judging episodes entirely on costumes and per diem.