Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[XYZpdq Jr.]

it was a train wreck but I can understand "oh shit, we got cancelled. okay everybody pick a scene they wanted to get in over the next three seasons and fire up the Robotech"

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Robert is kind of like Avery in that he only 'comes alive' in the episodes he decides are worth giving a shit about. But unlike Brooks, those episodes are so rare.

You start to wonder if he pissed someone off in Creative.

You get what you put into it, Beltran started phoning it in pretty quickly while the rest of the cast did their best with the schizo writing and dictatorial producers, and would you look at that? Everyone else wound up getting plenty of opportunities to shine, even Tim Russ, who pulled it off despite being handicapped by having to play a condecending asshole with a prickly personality and monotone voice.

 

[Captain Syrup]

You get what you put into it, Beltran started phoning it in pretty quickly while the rest of the cast did their best with the schizo writing and dictatorial producers, and would you look at that? Everyone else wound up getting plenty of opportunities to shine, even Tim Russ, who pulled it off despite being handicapped by having to play a condecending asshole with a prickly personality and monotone voice.

How is Tim Russ rewarded? Tuvok is the most underused guy on Voyager.



"Repression” is just him walking around giving people psychic naps. It’s supposed to be The Manchurian Candidate, but he’s not even killing them. He’s just mildly inconveniencing them. He's a SLEEPER agent.



Then there is the Benjamin Button planet. Here are lessons about logic and discipline. Then other aliens show up and say, None of this mattered, they’re all dying backwards.



In "Riddles" he gets brain damage and finally becomes cool. He’s cooking, listening to jazz, And then Captain Insaneway says Absolutely not.

I thought progeria was fatal?

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

If you take out the TNG stuff, tweak some stuff and remove the Tucker dying part I think the Enterprise crew story would be a great idea for a final episode.

Catching up with the crew after a time skip is a neat idea. Gives the audience a chance to see where they all are in their careers and gives the writers a chance to tie up any plot points/ write them some happy endings. You add into that a fun final side adventure with Shran, who's the fans favorite, maybe hint that he was once part of the crew. End it with Archer giving his big speech about the future of the Federation and you lead out with the TOS theme. Could have been great.

Instead we got... that.

Hell, if you really wanted Jonathan Frakes to make one last appearance, just have him play Riker's ancestor. That could add some more context into why Riker was hesitant to leave the Enterprise.

I go with the books and say that These Are The Voyages is manufactured Section 31 holo-garbage and that Trip is still alive, undercover and fucking all those alien chicks and getting shit done.

As I watch the show for real this time around it really sucks because he's a really likable character and don't think he deserved to go that way.

Such a bizarre note to end things on too. Why kill off Tucker of all characters?

Then there is the Benjamin Button planet. Here are lessons about logic and discipline. Then other aliens show up and say, None of this mattered, they’re all dying backwards.

It sucks that the episode was so boring, because it had easily my favorite Tuvok quote.

It's such a facinating look into his character and Vulcan culture as a whole.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

How is Tim Russ reward? Tuvok is the most underused guy on Voyager.

He was great as a detective. In addition to Meld the episodes that come to mind are Post Facto and especially Random Thoughts.

 

[Captain Syrup]

It sucks that the episode was so boring, because it had easily my favorite Tuvok quote.

Tim Russ actually understood the assignment, which just exposes how little Star Trek cared about space stoicism by that point. He has to be wrong every week so Captain Vibes and the gang can "listen to their gut" and be reckless.

He basically turns into Worf. Just a walking “this is a bad idea” machine who exists to get immediately overruled so the Captain can be morally correct.

 

[geckogoy]

He's simply a wholesome father figure--how come we don't have these in Star Trek anymore? I think in nu-trek, they probably think Sisko isn't based enough so we got Burned Ham.

Depicting niggers as brown white people has always pissed niggers off and once that was socialized to the white left, became haram in all of their content creation

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

As I watch the show for real this time around it really sucks because he's a really likable character and don't think he deserved to go that way.

Any nigga that likes catfish is a real nigga.

Seriously, try catfish if you haven't already. Bread it, pan fry it, spritz on some lemon, and enjoy.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

He was great as a detective. In addition to Meld the episodes that come to mind are Post Facto and especially Random Thoughts.

Worst Case Scenario is one of his best episodes. Probably Seska's only good one.

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Tim Russ actually understood the assignment, which just exposes how little Star Trek cared about space stoicism by that point. He has to be wrong every week so Captain Vibes and the gang can "listen to their gut" and be reckless.

He basically turns into Worf. Just a walking “this is a bad idea” machine who exists to get immediately overruled so the Captain can be morally correct.

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Let's be fair, Spock was often the auto-naysayer to Kirk.

How is Tim Russ rewarded? Tuvok is the most underused guy on Voyager.

I don't disagree, but I'd rather watch any Tuvok episode over any Chakotay episode. What, the one where his stones on a spirit mandala flannelgraph helps someone in hacoochiemoya dream world, or the one where he boxes an anomaly in an anomaly. The most 90s thing in the show (besides the one where they actually go to the 90s) is being fooled by a sleepy Mexican pretending to be Cherokee.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

He has to be wrong every week so Captain Vibes and the gang can "listen to their gut" and be reckless.

He basically turns into Worf. Just a walking “this is a bad idea” machine who exists to get immediately overruled so the Captain can be morally correct.

And the sad thing is, he still felt more like a First Officer than Janeway's actual First Officer, Commander Kemosabe.

Seriously, try catfish if you haven't already. Bread it, pan fry it, spritz on some lemon, and enjoy.

I actually tried looking up recipies for catfish, but none of the markets near me sold it. Might be because I live up north.

Worst Case Scenario is one of his best episodes. Probably Seska's only good one.

Best part is the scene where he and Paris try brainstorming ideas for the holonovel. It's eerie how the argument between Paris' ideas for random plot twists and Tuvok's insistence on consistent characterization can be applied to a lot of modern TV shows.

 

[Captain Syrup]

And the sad thing is, he still felt more like a First Officer than Janeway's actual First Officer, Commander Kemosabe.

That was likely on purpose. Did you notice Chakotay and Tuvok were fighting over who’s Janeway’s number one? They had beef back in "Caretaker" and "State of Flux".

But it’s like B’Elanna punching Lt. Carey: anyone who ever gave Starfleet trouble was dead or gone by midseason. Isn’t the classic joke that they killed Carey in "Friendship One" because the writers forgot he was still alive?

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

That was likely on purpose. Did you notice Chakotay and Tuvok were fighting over who’s Janeway’s number one? They had beef back in "Caretaker" and "State of Flux".

That was part of the extended Starfleet / Macquis crew integration subplot that never went anywhere. Until they remembered it used to be a thing they cared about and wrote it into a holodeck goes crazy episode. It's in character for Tuvok to accept difficult assignments, even being passed over as first officer, but he'd definitely write a mutiny holoprogram and base the scenario on everyone actually in the Voyager crew. It would get a very different reaction if Barclay made a holoprogram where everyone on his current ship is conspiring to murder each other and he has to shoot everyone to survive.

"Friendship One"

the music toys in that episode were obnoxious

 

[Captain Syrup]

the music toys in that episode were obnoxious

Voyager had the most irony poisoned writers I've ever seen, "what if every week, the ship leaves behind a wake of destroyed societies and then they warp away before anyone can file a complaint.”



Even their goodwill gestures turn into extinction events..

And the sad thing is, he still felt more like a First Officer than Janeway's actual First Officer, Commander Kemosabe.

I actually tried looking up recipies for catfish, but none of the markets near me sold it. Might be because I live up north.

Best part is the scene where he and Paris try brainstorming ideas for the holonovel. It's eerie how the argument between Paris' ideas for random plot twists and Tuvok's insistence on consistent characterization can be applied to a lot of modern TV shows.

"Author, Author" and "Worst Case Scenario” are so funny because it’s like the writers going “what if a holodeck episode...but it sucks on purpose.” The premise is already stupid, and then they acknowledge it’s stupid.



The thing is, Tuvok is right. Stories need internal logic. Meanwhile Tom is like “no dude it’s sick,” and then immediately the program turns into Saw and he’s getting tortured by his own characters. He gets hit with an acid attack by the Doctor for no reason. They're afraid to hide in the mess hall because Neelix will chase them with a flaming frying pan.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Voyager had the most irony poisoned writers I've ever seen, "what if every week, the ship leaves behind a wake of destroyed societies and then they warp away before anyone can file a complaint.”

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Even their goodwill gestures turn into extinction events..

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Oh come on, how's that her fault. Friendship One was launched in 2067. Janeway didn't do it. Maybe she should've made a pit stop in her super time shuttle to blow it up.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Oh come on, how's that her fault. Friendship One was launched in 2067. Janeway didn't do it. Maybe she should've made a pit stop in her super time shuttle to blow it up.

The Department of Temporal Investigations is so funny because their whole job is wagging their fingers and saying “hey stop messing up time” and then meanwhile there’s some guy deleting entire planets because he’s mad his wife died.



And he's like cataloging food from a timeline that doesn’t exist anymore. He's like a museum curator for realities that got owned.

They're just lazy cops. I guess that's realistic.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

They're just lazy cops. I guess that's realistic.

"What exactly, you'd say, you do here?," Sisko asked calmly.

 

[Whiskey]

I kinda of dread mentioning the department of temporal time investigations.

I have a rational fear that the current writers of star trek will be given one last bite of the apple to create stories where they travel back in time and retroactively fuck with classic trek, voyager and ds9.... Just running around cgi replicas of the old actors and locations fucking it up to make it as shit as their shows.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I kinda of dread mentioning the department of temporal time investigations.

I have a rational fear that the current writers of star trek will be given one last bite of the apple to create stories where they travel back in time and retroactively fuck with classic trek, voyager and ds9.... Just running around cgi replicas of the old actors and locations fucking it up to make it as shit as their shows.

They already made an episode where some random bitch yells at Picard because a writer resented the achievements of a fictional character. It's comin', boy. I'm surprised there aren't more "Trials and Tribble-ations" type episodes where the female crew goes back in time to stop and chastise Kirk for flirting.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Latest episode of The Amazing Digital Circus was great.

 

[Skelboen]

I was really hoping that Strange New Worlds would turn out alright. I loved most of season 1 (fite me IRL), forgot all of season 2... but holy shit the 3rd is just unwatchable. I'm fine with a bit of woke faggotry but there's no excuse for terrible writing, plus the actors seem like they just want it to be over. Grim