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Miller said:
I was watching the stream and I learned that Doug Drexler has joined the art department of The Orville for the third season. He seems to have a blast working on the show.
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I'm old enough to remember the Akiraprise incident but I've always respected Drexler as a VFX artist. I think he might really get a chance to shine on The Orville since Enterprise had all of these weird designs that just didn't fit the universe but The Orville is a brand new place to explore.
 
The first episode of Picard apparently came out, but I'm not signing up for a streaming service to watch it, and I don't care enough to sail the high seas for it.

Anybody seen it yet?
 
UnKillFill said:
The first episode of Picard apparently came out, but I'm not signing up for a streaming service to watch it, and I don't care enough to sail the high seas for it.

Anybody seen it yet?
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Patrick Stuart is great as Old-Man Picard. McGuffin Girl can't act and has a huge chin. Narrative has absolutely nothing that hasn't been done before and better. It's very pretty.
 
I didn't enjoy that first episode at all. I have accepted that I will probably only ever like TOS, TAS, Original Movies, TNG, and DS9. I just kind of wish the designers behind the shows would show more love for the original aesthetic of the shows. I still think STD would have been better with an ENT/TOS instead of ugly generic feeling sci-fi. I kinda feel the same about Picard. It feels very Discovery while taking place like more than 100 years later. Like Discovery this feels like a more watchable show than Voyager, but ultimately an equally not enjoyable one.
 
Ive only seen season 1 of discovery myself. Absolute Crap when it comes to the lore and technology with the klingons, but relatively decent plot and acting.

Completely shits the bed when it comes to ending the war and season though.
 
So, just finished the episode and some thoughts
  • If you've seen the leak on 4chan detailing the plot of the season, then know that it seems to be correct
  • The theme song was actually quite nice (visuals were somehow more crap than STD's)
  • Someone mentioned it felt like a CW drama and I can't help but agree
  • I kept having flashbacks to TROS where JJ was choking me with one new plot point and scene transition after another. It was just too fast getting into the PLOT and I wished it would slow the fuck down
  • Main chick is bland as fuck and I can already tell the crew Picard will be teaming up with will be as dull as her
  • Speaking of Picard, bless Stewart, but he looked bored. I also did not understand how within like 20 minutes or less he came to the conclusion that the main chick was an andro-sorry, "synthetic" when he had nothing to go on really
  • I fucking hate that they've gone away with the word "android". It feels so weird. The in-story reason is that some >synthetics went rouge years ago and fucked Mars' shit up and now they're despised and not made anymore, but Data got away with so much shit in his day that I don't know how the Federation could end up in this position where they allowed this.
  • Also, how are the Romulans considered such a threat? During the Dominion war they were allies (through deception from the Federation side, more or less) and even starting from TNG they had moments where they could work together. Nemesis ended with the potential of them growing even closer. Why is it now an issue that Romulans are around? Is it meant to reflect a refugee crisis? Because they're sure doing a poor job of it. Basically, fuck JJ for even introducing this fucking shitty Supernova, it caused so much headache for both canon and the overall storytelling.
  • The fight scenes were ridiculous but not in a fun way, just tedious. Bring me Kirk fighting the Gorn Captain or Worf wrestling a furry space shape shifter any day.
Not much good to say, unfortunately. It honestly felt like I just wasted my time.
 
The pilot was written by 5 people and you can feel it. It's really bad.
At least they made some efforts to respect the canon, like that scene where Picard visits the Starfleet archives on Coruscant:
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Also about the canon, it's funny that they didn't even respected their own crap that they wrote for Star Trek 2009 (no B4 with Data's brain in command of the Enterprise-E).
Jokes aside, there are a lot of things wrong with the show, from the supernova nonsense (like @trekkor said, it has forever ruined the post-Voyager canon), the synths (after The Measure of a Man there is no way that the Federation agreed to create androids) to the "cloning" of Data's brain (impossible, that's why he was considered as unique). This is just another dumb idea from Kurtzman after he watched Battlestar Galactica and Blade Runner. The Romulans can spit green acid for some reason, again, Kurtzman probably had ST: Nemesis in the background while he was in the bathroom.
The writing and the dialogues are better than in STD but judging by the trailer for the rest of the season, I think they will go back to their usual STD/CW teen drama style.
One thing I liked: the score for Balance of Terror is now the Romulan theme.

I don't know who started the rumor about NBC wanting to buy the Star Trek licence to give it to MacFarlane but if it happens to be true then I hope they do it.
 
trekkor said:
Nemesis ended with the potential of them growing even closer. Why is it now an issue that Romulans are around? Is it meant to reflect a refugee crisis? Because they're sure doing a poor job of it. Basically, fuck JJ for even introducing this fucking shitty Supernova, it caused so much headache
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Why would they have a refugee crisis? Do these people not understand how an EMPIRE works??
 
trekkor said:
Speaking of Picard, bless Stewart, but he looked bored. I also did not understand how within like 20 minutes or less he came to the conclusion that the main chick was an andro-sorry, "synthetic" when he had nothing to go on really
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Given the other non-linearity in the editing, I'm sure that will be revealed later on.

trekkor said:
Also, how are the Romulans considered such a threat? During the Dominion war they were allies (through deception from the Federation side, more or less) and even starting from TNG they had moments where they could work together. Nemesis ended with the potential of them growing even closer. Why is it now an issue that Romulans are around? Is it meant to reflect a refugee crisis?
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It's a clumsy allegory to ORANGE MAN BAD turning people away at the Mexican border.
trekkor said:
The fight scenes were ridiculous but not in a fun way, just tedious. Bring me Kirk fighting the Gorn Captain or Worf wrestling a furry space shape shifter any day.
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In the end, this is going to just be yet another generic Sci-Fi action adventure show with a thin veneer of Star Trek slapped on top.
 
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It wouldn't even be that hard to make a show that Trekkies actually like:

-Ignore STD.
-Clearly state that the entirety of JJTrek (Including the shitty random Romulan supernova thing that *everyone* hated), didn't happen.
-Don't insert your shitty social justard politics.
-Make a show that checks up on, and doesn't shit on, characters that everyone likes... Such as: B-4 as Captain Data, The Doctor from Voyager (Who was probably classified as a "Synth" and shut down in this shit), pretty much all of the TNG crew (Who won't appear in ST: P, because we can't afford the actors as series regulars *they aren't important anymore,* and most normies probably wouldn't even recognize them anyway.
-Don't make a show that *clearly and obviously* hates everything in the same series that came before it.

Thankfully this shit isn't even canon.
 
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Miller said:
One thing I liked: the score for Balance of Terror is now the Romulan theme.
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Fucking excellent tunes. Made both "Balance of Terror" and (IIRC) "The Enterprise Incident" in TOS some of the more memorable episodes.

I'm not gonna pay CBS to watch this show, I kinda knew it would be a shitfest.
The only thing that can make this manageable is if they bring back Mark Lenard as a Romulan.
 
UnKillFill said:
It wouldn't even be that hard to make a show that Trekkies actually like:

-Ignore STD.
-Clearly state that the entirety of JJTrek (Including the shitty random Romulan supernova thing that *everyone* hated), didn't happen.
-Don't insert your shitty social justard politics.
-Make a show that checks up on, and doesn't shit on, characters that everyone likes... Such as: B-4 as Captain Data, The Doctor from Voyager (Who was probably classified as a "Synth" and shut down in this shit), pretty much all of the TNG crew (Who won't appear in ST: P, because we can't afford the actors as series regulars *they aren't important anymore,* and most normies probably wouldn't even recognize them anyway.
-Don't make a show that *clearly and obviously* hates everything in the same series that came before it.

Thankfully this shit isn't even canon.
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So basically if The Orville was Star Trek canon?
 
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