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Huh. That's astonishing, all I've ever heard about that episode is negative things. Legit question: How much baseball knowledge does one need to have to really grasp what's going on in that episode? If you need to at least know how the game works beyond the four bases, hitting a ball with a bat and running around I can imagine nerds like me might be less than fond of it.
I think SFDebris nailed it quite well - if you're raised in america, there's a good chance you've seen the sports underdog story MULTIPLE times - probably as a movie, but it also appears on plenty of TV shows. And when you're that inundated with the cliche, an episode about that cliche just feels "meh."

But hey if you're not american - or young enough to not have the relentless exposure to the same story a billion times, then you'll probably love it. (Chuck noted that enjoyment of the episode seemed to trend along national lines.)

I do miss that Trek never showed the nation's TRUE past time...
Blernsball!
 
yeah the ds9 baseball episode was fun and you're probably a vulcunt if you don't like it
 
You know what always bugged me? How utterly cuntish Paramount was regarding fanworks. The rules they have for making Star Trek fan films and such are anal as fuck, more or less designed to ensure that nobody could ever actually make anything decent.
They outright have a 10 part list of shit you can and can't do. While 6-10 are reasonable legalistic shit, 1-5 contains some really cuntish shit. Like limiting your production to a total of 30 minutes, barring you from paying anybody involved in the production, barring you from using anybody who has ever so much as worked on a Star Trek series, and trying to force you to only use "commercially available" props and uniforms (meaning, the ones THEY make money on).

Not even the fandom can save this franchise. The people in charge made goddamn sure of that.
 
You know what always bugged me? How utterly cuntish Paramount was regarding fanworks. The rules they have for making Star Trek fan films and such are anal as fuck, more or less designed to ensure that nobody could ever actually make anything decent.
They outright have a 10 part list of shit you can and can't do. While 6-10 are reasonable legalistic shit, 1-5 contains some really cuntish shit. Like limiting your production to a total of 30 minutes, barring you from paying anybody involved in the production, barring you from using anybody who has ever so much as worked on a Star Trek series, and trying to force you to only use "commercially available" props and uniforms (meaning, the ones THEY make money on).

Not even the fandom can save this franchise. The people in charge made goddamn sure of that.
or you could just make the movie with pseudonyms and put out torrents so there's no kickstarter or youtube bux to shut down because you're really a fan and not somebody trying to hustle a buck
 
Maybe it's just the exhaustion from watching so many Netflix series that never have a payoff, but the reset button is kind of a relief. It's Star Trek as junk food, really.

That got me thinking.

How many serials, even highly praised successful ones, have actually stuck the landing?

How many have concluded their stories in a satisfying way, tied up the plot threads they dangled for years, and just overall gave the impression that they had an idea where they were going and not just making up bullshit along the way with no idea how to resolve any of it?

I can think of a few, but not many.
 
If counting so-so inoffensive endings quite a few shows stuck the landing. Criteria being is don't be another Dallas, St. Elmos Fire, Alf, Dexter, Monk, HIMYM, GoTs and etc.
 
If counting so-so inoffensive endings quite a few shows stuck the landing. Criteria being is don't be another Dallas, St. Elmos Fire, Alf, Dexter, Monk, HIMYM, GoTs and etc.
I don't recall ALF getting an ending, there was the cliffhanger where the ship showed up TO BE CONTINUED and then the followup made-for-tv-movie/pilot ages later that was just kinda some random shit?
 
But hey if you're not american - or young enough to not have the relentless exposure to the same story a billion times, then you'll probably love it. (Chuck noted that enjoyment of the episode seemed to trend along national lines.)

From someone who isn't American, I've always thought of Star Trek as deeply American, but in the absolute best of ways.

A beautiful optimism untethered by the cynicism of history that's deeply embedded in Asian and European culture.

The America that wrote the Constitution, won WWII, and went to the Moon because, fuck you, it was the right thing to do. That moved the world forward by sheer force of will.

The characters were the Apollo astronauts. Highly qualified, competent, and professional. They were the best of us. The people we wished we could be.

But it never crossed the line into being jingoistic. There was always a feeling that the writers thought about the whole world, and the issues that face everyone. I never felt alienated, as a non-American.

For all that the rest of the world likes to shit on America, Star Trek represents what we love about you guys.

Nu-Trek is the exact opposite.

The "diversity" is surface level bullshit. It reeks of dumb internet stereotypes. Of writers who have never left their coastal American cities, whose idea of the world has been shaped by Twitter and Reddit. Who have never talked with someone with a funny accent whose perspective on world issues might be different to their own. Who are neck deep in American geek culture, and have no interest in the world outside that might not be as black and white as Reddit tells them it is.

I do feel apart from nu-Trek, in a way that Trek has never made me feel before. I feel like the writers are sitting in their happy little geek culture club, feeling smug about themselves and their "woke" American reddit politics, worrying about which videogames to play to keep from getting bored in the quarantine, while the rest of the world burns around them.
 
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I've never cared about baseball, or any sport really...
But I re-watched the DS9 episode in question tonight and wrote some point by point commentary here while watching, because I didn't offhand remember much about the episode (aside from it existing,) and I don't really have anything better to do at the moment...

-I love how much of a cunt the Vulcan captain (Solok?) is, which kind of worries me... because I wasn't a fan of how cunty the Vulcans were in general on Enterprise.
-To people asking if not knowing the rules of baseball hinders enjoyment of the episode- literally every main character, except for Sisko and his son, don't know the rules of baseball, and they spend a lot of time making note of that fact... which is fun.
-Leeta is a dumber than average thot, and I never liked her. Especially in this episode.
-Odo was a great choice for umpire, but I would have put him on my team instead if it were me.
-Seeing Kasiday Yates made me miss The Orville.
-Sisko was right to kick Rom off the team, he sucked. Idk why Sisko was treated like an asshole for doing it, it was the right call.
-O'Brien uses the replicator to infuse his chewing gum with Scotch. Fucking right on man!
-I wasn't even that big a fan of Jadzia, but Ezri is clearly the inferior Dax on this show.
-The Vulcans are Vulcan-supremacist. They're also dicks. I guess Enterprise really didn't invent that. Damn.
-Sisko was drunk when he challenged Solok to a wrestling match. Did I ever mention, Sisko is my favorite captain?
-The "National Anthem" or whatever the fuck they play before the game was shit.
-O'Brien is clearly a better coach than player. I bet the Scotch gum has something to do with that.
-A sports match with no spectators? That reminds me of Wrestlemania this year. I guess DS9 called that decades early.
-The DS9 team is called the "Niners" I love it.
-Why the fuck do Vulcans even care about a defunct Earth sport that literally nobody on Earth but one random captain cares about? Surprisingly, this episode answers that question. The Vulcan Captain, a Starfleet graduate, only cares because he wants to fuck with Sisko. He literally spent years teaching an entire team of Vulcans to play an obsolete Earthling game, on the off-chance that he ever found himself in a position where he would have a team to go up against a team of Sisko's which Kudos, that happened, and he even won.
-Worf says "Find him and kill him." While trying to tag a cheater out. Right on man.
-I'm not ok with Rom being the one who gets the "win" He was a worthless loser... for most of the show actually, and he was even shown to be so earlier in this episode. Again, Sisko was right to bench him. (I also don't really get why Sisko saw scoring a single point against the Vulcans to their 10 as a "win" in this case...) Worf alone should have hit at least one home run against the Vulcans... And what about Julian?
-Isn't Nog (the only one on Sisko's team to actually score the point) an amputee by this point? I'm watching the episode out of context, but that didn't even come up even once.
-I get why Sisko put his hands on Odo, but why did the Vulcan? can't he even control his emotions?

I didn't hate this episode, it was fine. But I didn't love it either. SFDebris gave it a 3/10, and fair enough. I'd give it a 5/10 myself.
 
I thought they had A.L.F. hauled off by the Men in Black and presumably killed.
Didn't he get captured by the gubmint?
iirc the TV series ended with a couple of other Melmac-ians showing up to pick him up and a TO BE CONTINUED, then the thing years later doesn't really address the series to any great degree and he's at some Area 51 type place
I don't think the subsequent ALF vehicles had any direct continuity
 
iirc the TV series ended with a couple of other Melmac-ians showing up to pick him up and a TO BE CONTINUED, then the thing years later doesn't really address the series to any great degree and he's at some Area 51 type place
I don't think the subsequent ALF vehicles had any direct continuity

No, the Alien Task Force gets him.

 
Holy fuck. How did I not know that was Robert Picardo? I've seen that scene, but never the movie itself. Thanks for the education, Kiwi.
 
You know what always bugged me? How utterly cuntish Paramount was regarding fanworks. The rules they have for making Star Trek fan films and such are anal as fuck, more or less designed to ensure that nobody could ever actually make anything decent.
They outright have a 10 part list of shit you can and can't do. While 6-10 are reasonable legalistic shit, 1-5 contains some really cuntish shit. Like limiting your production to a total of 30 minutes, barring you from paying anybody involved in the production, barring you from using anybody who has ever so much as worked on a Star Trek series, and trying to force you to only use "commercially available" props and uniforms (meaning, the ones THEY make money on).

Not even the fandom can save this franchise. The people in charge made goddamn sure of that.
A lot of fans blame Axanar/Alec Peters for the new guidelines but it's quite clear that it was bound to happen, as technology evolves quite fast and anybody can build a piece of set and render 3D models and animation on their home computer so making a fanfilm that looks and feels like an actual production has become easier and cheaper than before.
 
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