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Flexo said:
Voyager freaking set it up, they should have gone whole hog. Every season kill 2 or 3 people off and bring new folks on. That it became TNG 2.0 is what really hurt its potential.
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I assume it was because back then (and still is somewhat) anthology-series or going in that direction wasn't very popular. plus you always have to consider how risk-averse companies (and boneheaded viewers) are. getting rid of a character that brings in the ratings would be very bold, especially when you don't know if the new one will pan out. and while it might improve the series overall, some fans get really attached sometimes and then become really loud, which leads to shit PR (less now, but still). usually they don't replace characters, only reason they got rid of kess was she didn't got anywhere as a character and they needed a new, sexier one for the ratings.

the biggest irony is that it would've helped nutrek even more. instead of sticking with those tards from S1 give me another ship with another crew and a new perspective of the whole thing. if it works out, great stick with it and do a spin-off, if not replace them. nice and easy. these days most people binge that shit in a day anyway and then wait for a whole year for new content and forget most of it.
 
According to the Abramverse, Bashir's blood should be magical Jesus juice that can cure anything, even literal death. He'd be better off injecting all of his patients with that than any other form of medical care :p
 
I too have the lust for good ToS episodes.

Journey to Babel is one of my fav, its got everything.

Vulcans being dicks, tonnes of weird aliens doing alien shit, Spock family drama, McCoy one liners, murder mysteries, Kirk getting knifed in the back, a good space battle and a great wrap up.

Mmmmmm perfect!
 
I made it to the "everyone hates the blacks" episode of DS9. Some of the black characters seem more offensive than the subject matter they're trying to approach, mainly Jake comes to mind. I can see all the writers patting themselves on the back anytime not-Odo shows up.
 
Given the date I was thinking back to the old fan theory that Wolf 359 was the Federation's version of 9/11. Which I in all honesty considered absolute cringe on the highest level for a very long time. But I do want to bring this up:


If they made this now, it would absolutely be seen as a 9/11 metaphor. Its astonishing how much this lines up with reality before it ever came to pass. Also a bold move to open up your entire series with such a brutal scene. Other than the text crawl at the start they just throw you right into this violent nightmare before you've even met the main character.
 
So I'm about five episodes into season 6 of DS9 so far (and it's been excellent). I have noticed in a lot of the fleet scenes, Starfleet has an absolute fuckton of Excelsior and Miranda class starships. I wonder if there's some kind of in-universe explanation for this I never heard or if they just had a lot of models of those two specific classes of ship.

Also, while I like Jake Sisko infinitely more than whiny bitch Wesley Crusher, the constant reminders that he's a "reporter" are fucking tiring. He's starting to sound as bitchy as Crusher about it, honestly.

I also wish there had been a separate series that focuses more on Klingons now, I really enjoy the Worf / Martok / bird of prey dynamic going on. To me it feels like a missed opportunity to do something that isn't slavishly devoted to Starfleet ideals.
 
L50LasPak said:
Given the date I was thinking back to the old fan theory that Wolf 359 was the Federation's version of 9/11. Which I in all honesty considered absolute cringe on the highest level for a very long time. But I do want to bring this up:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UmHaTyuDW5M
If they made this now, it would absolutely be seen as a 9/11 metaphor. Its astonishing how much this lines up with reality before it ever came to pass. Also a bold move to open up your entire series with such a brutal scene. Other than the text crawl at the start they just throw you right into this violent nightmare before you've even met the main character.
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Well, the idea is that it was a major event in Starfleet history that altered everything going forward.

Like before that happened, could we ever imagine something like home front and starfleet's near coup? Not in the ultra hippy pre-wolf federation.
 
ProfDongs said:
I made it to the "everyone hates the blacks" episode of DS9. Some of the black characters seem more offensive than the subject matter they're trying to approach, mainly Jake comes to mind. I can see all the writers patting themselves on the back anytime not-Odo shows up.
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Ira's white guilt and blue beard surprise, mmm.
 
tigergrinder said:
Ira's white guilt and blue beard surprise, mmm.
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I think that one was by Marc Zicree. The story itself wasn't bad but I would put it on the same level as that STD short trek about the Discovery AI who wanted to get blacked, because while both stories are interesting, they come out of nowhere and don't feel like Star Trek scripts but more like rejected pitches for an indie movie.
 
Miller said:
I think that one was by Marc Zicree. The story itself wasn't bad but I would put it on the same level as that STD short trek about the Discovery AI who wanted to get blacked, because while both stories are interesting, they come out of nowhere and don't feel like Star Trek scripts but more like rejected pitches for an indie movie.
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I didn't even watch the episode. I saw clips of it in the documentary and realized I dodged a bullet. Felt bad for Rene and Armin, they seemed like the only normal people in that show.
 
White Devil said:
Starfleet has an absolute fuckton of Excelsior and Miranda class starships. I wonder if there's some kind of in-universe explanation for this I never heard or if they just had a lot of models of those two specific classes of ship.
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There've been various fan theories over the years to explain that, but the real life explanation is that the "movie ships" such as the Reliant, Excelsior, and Grissom were all really expensive models to make since they were designed to hold up on the big screen. When shooting for TNG, in some cases they didn't even have to bust out the models again, they could just optically insert old VFX shots in. By the time DS9 came around with its CGI, I guess the effects people had decided to treat those ships as the "Workhorses" of Starfleet.

If you're wondering why the Constitution Refit didn't get the same treatment, last I heard the reason is because its model was huge and difficult to film with on a TV budget. Though I also personally think the ship was just too recognizable and the writers didn't want to reuse it.
 
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I notice DS9 has more ship variety overall than TNG did in the fleet scenes, though. But yeah, that makes sense about the models being fuckall huge. I think I only spotted like three Galaxy class ships in the one episode where they have to push through Dominion lines to the worm hole.
 
L50LasPak said:
Given the date I was thinking back to the old fan theory that Wolf 359 was the Federation's version of 9/11. Which I in all honesty considered absolute cringe on the highest level for a very long time. But I do want to bring this up:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UmHaTyuDW5M
If they made this now, it would absolutely be seen as a 9/11 metaphor. Its astonishing how much this lines up with reality before it ever came to pass. Also a bold move to open up your entire series with such a brutal scene. Other than the text crawl at the start they just throw you right into this violent nightmare before you've even met the main character.
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It occurs to me, why the hell are they carrying civilians into battle in the first place? It's not like they're out in deep space and just happened to run afoul of a hostile species. This is an organized defense force set within a few light years of the Federation's home base.
 
Preferred Penne said:
It occurs to me, why the hell are they carrying civilians into battle in the first place? It's not like they're out in deep space and just happened to run afoul of a hostile species. This is an organized defense force set within a few light years of the Federation's home base.
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My interpretation is that under the circumstances since the ships were called up in such a hurry, some of them just didn't have time to drop off the civillians. Though if you look at a real-life starmap, Wolf 359 isn't exactly that far away from our local star cluster. You'd think it would be a bustling hub of human activity, if not one of the first solar systems the Federation (or perhaps United Earth) colonized, so there should have been locations to drop people off. I guess its possible the Borg just move that damn fast.
 
Preferred Penne said:
It occurs to me, why the hell are they carrying civilians into battle in the first place? It's not like they're out in deep space and just happened to run afoul of a hostile species. This is an organized defense force set within a few light years of the Federation's home base.
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The fleet was hastily assembled and was meant to be the assisting assault force, not an organized defence force.
 
Sweet and Savoury said:
Am I the only one who liked the Ro and Riker paring?
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Ro would be like dating a stripper. For the first month you probably thought you were actually in heaven because she's so freaky in the sack.

Then the "personal issues" begin to erupt and you're walking through the door fully expecting to have to dodge a vase being hurled at you.
 
I just saw this abomination in my twitter feed:

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...and while most people are appalled, there are two fuckers there who don't get it, proving that only autistic fuckers enjoy this show as they're unable to understand that the violence here isn't the (only) problem.


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Tasty Tatty said:
I just saw this abomination in my twitter feed:

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...and while most people are appalled, there are two fuckers there who don't get it, proving that only autistic fuckers enjoy this show as they're unable to understand that the violence here isn't the (only) problem.


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People that deny all the black females in Trek to praise Burnham now bringing up Star Trek history.

At some point Q being a dick to us is no less than we deserve.
 
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