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"MIIILES! MIIIIILES!"
"Just a second, honey."
 
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XYZpdq said:
Garak is missionsexual
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"jobsexual" is what I've said before in this thread but yours works too. ;)
White Devil said:
I think the whole Garak being a homofag was just purely conjecture from people who wanted it to happen, and the whole Behr saying that he was in What We Left Behind was just woke 2010s pandering. The only time you see any sort of sexuality from Garak in the show was when he was with Dukat's daughter.
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And even that ends up not working out because Garak has trouble imagining of something outside of service to Cardassia.

"My life, my love and my lady... is Cardassee....."
UnKillShredDur said:
"He would fuck people of multiple genders if he at least thought that he had a chance with them,"
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ah a moviebob-sexual
 
Flexo said:
And even that ends up not working out because Garak has trouble imagining of something outside of service to Cardassia.
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On his deathbed, he told Garak that he'd wished Garak had never been born, because Tain viewed him as a weakness.

Garak is just like his father. When Garak was delirious, he told Bashir that he hated him because he cared about him. Bashir is a weakness that an enemy could exploit against him.
ah a moviebob-sexual
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White Devil said:
The New Adventures of Lois & Clark was excellent cept for the last season really. Recently rewatched it and had some hardcore 90s nostalgia.
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Hatcher is the definitive Lois, for me. But the real unsung hero of that show is Lane Smith as Perry.
 
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JamesFargo said:
You're equating Garak with Londo's character, which is misleading.

Tain was ready to snuff out Mila's life as if she were a cigarette. Mind you, it's hinted that Mila was his mistress (and Garak's mother). On his deathbed, he told Garak that he'd wished Garak had never been born, because Tain viewed him as a weakness.

Garak is just like his father. When Garak was delirious, he told Bashir that he hated him because he cared about him. Bashir is a weakness that an enemy could exploit against him.

"I let him mold me, let him turn me into a mirror image of himself."
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I literally can't since I've never see Babylon 5. Just the few clips Chuck shows when he does his review of the show and even half the time I'm confused about what he's talking about.

The aforementioned book confirms Mila as his mom.

Also keep in mind Garak mentioned Tain said "you shouldn't be born" multiple times. (like the dread pirate Roberts, "good job, shall have to kill you in the morning.") Anyway I've said it before and I stand by it, Garak's principle devotion was always to Cardassia. It was always his singular driving goal and motivation.

In the last season, Garak started having nervous breakdowns when even though he was helping the Federation to ultimately save his people, it was eating him up inside that they would all die.

And in his final lines, Garak still can only talk about his homeland.

He literally sheds more tears in that scene than he did standing over Zial's body.

The man had a patriotism that would put Captain America to shame.

TANGENT
Ok, this is kind of impressive. The description?
"Fan fiction script read-through performed June 30, 2020 and July 3, 2020 during a meeting of the Sid City Social Club."
Starring: Alexander Siddig
Andrew Robinson
 
Siddig always has kind words for Andy.

Probably saved him from being written out of the show, since Bashir was pretty useless to start.
 
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Nick Gurs said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t02v9EUHs30
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I've had theories about what Garak meant here. For example the way he constantly changes his story about why he was exiled. At one point he claims it's because he allowed a transport full of Bajoran children to be redirected to a Federation refugee camp instead of a labor camp, another time he claimed it was because he dodged his taxes.
While neither of those were actually the reason for his exile, I believe Garak was telling the truth. These were things he actually did.

Garak will tell you the truth through lies.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I've had theories about what Garak meant here. For example the way he constantly changes his story about why he was exiled. At one point he claims it's because he allowed a transport full of Bajoran children to be redirected to a Federation refugee camp instead of a labor camp, another time he claimed it was because he dodged his taxes.
While neither of those were actually the reason for his exile, I believe Garak was telling the truth. These were things he actually did.

Garak will tell you the truth through lies.
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But One can never be certain.
We do live in interesting times.
 
I have no doubt Garak and Bashir had copious amounts of gay sex at least in the earlier years. If Garak did it for the mission it's only because that is his fetish.

Those two make more sense as a couple than Garak and Gul Dukat's daughter at least.

I think my favorite Garak episode is when he and O'Brien goes to loot another cardassian space station to get some spare parts for ds9 and everything goes to shit. O'Brien is like this close to murdering him with an IED. His only reaction is "Eh, understandable."
 
Never Scored said:
I watched these 2009-2016 remakes for the first time over the last week or so. TOS and the original movies are my favourite Trek, so I've been putting off watching these for obvious reasons.

Not great but not as bad as I expected. I'd actually rank them pretty close to the last two TNG movies. Not very good, but OK. I was expecting a shitshow closer to Piccard.

-I thought the third one was the best and felt closest to TOS structurally.

-They are extremely melodramatic to the point of absolute comedy. Especially Spock who apparently has trouble suppressing his emotions now after we've seen him get his legs broken without flinching in TOS.

-They made Uhura a complete bitch for like no reason.

-The guy that played Bones was pretty good. The guy who played Kirk improved throughout the trilogy.

-I'm not usually one of these "muh whitewashing" types, but fucking lol at Benedict Cumberbatch playing a guy whose name is fucking Khan Noonien Singh. It doesn't help that I genuinely hate Cumberbatch's fucking face.
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Cumberbatch as Khan pissed me off immensely. It was not accidental that TOS in the 60s very clearly coded Singh’s “genetically superior” humans as not-white. When you are dealing with a decades old mega franchise, be a little respectful of the source material.

I thought Karl Urban was pretty good but I hated Simon Pegg being cast as Scotty.
 
Just finished a big TNG binge starting with the TV show and ending with Picard, which I had never seen before. I originally skipped Picard because I had seen the complaints and was worried they ruined the character. I was pretty surprised when I found myself really enjoying it. Could have easily dropped a few episodes to help the story, but otherwise, I really loved it, and I am very excited for season 2. Also

Watching Data finally get the thing he wanted, to be human in dying, was great. The little smile when he starts to age. Fuck that was good.
 
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