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JamesFargo said:
Mike doesn't really have a leg to stand on after Space Cop.
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Definitely a case of having a low target and still missing the mark. Especially any scene that's shot in a bar. Sure, they used a real bar, but that was the problem because they needed a scuzzy dive, but the bar itself is brightly-lit and wants to be seen as Moe's Family Feed Bag. And Mike's character is pretty bad too by being generic comedic relief. What if he was a parody of a Noir detective trope? His methods may differ from Space Cop, but they both agree murder is the best solution to all their problems?
 
Starscreams Cape said:
The main problem for me is the cold, almost antiseptic nature of the ship, the uniforms and SOME of the interactions between characters. For example, "It's how we feel Mr. Spock"...followed by Spock ignoring Uhura and literally turning his back on her. But then you have the wonderful scene of Spock telling Jim that human touch is beyond V'ger's comprehension.
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Wasn't that supposed to be part of his characterization? I mean, IICR, he came back after he failed an important Vulcan ritual due to his human side. It made sense he wanted to distance himself from feelings and his former friends in order to achieve his goal. That's supposed to parallel how, at the end, despite you see Vger "acting" like a brat, he's just a machine while Spock is not and he still is what he is and he needed to embrace it.Both Spock and Vger accepted they need a human side.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Definitely a case of having a low target and still missing the mark. Especially any scene that's shot in a bar. Sure, they used a real bar, but that was the problem because they needed a scuzzy dive, but the bar itself is brightly-lit and wants to be seen as Moe's Family Feed Bag. And Mike's character is pretty bad too by being generic comedic relief. What if he was a parody of a Noir detective trope? His methods may differ from Space Cop, but they both agree murder is the best solution to all their problems?
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He was a parody of the guy from the neutral zone episode. Mike mentioned this during his & rich's TNG s1 discussion.
 
Flexo said:
He was a parody of the guy from the neutral zone episode. Mike mentioned this during his & rich's TNG s1 discussion.
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Except the characters are entirely different. Stodgy businessman was focused on what happened to his company, his stocks, and other related assets. Detective Mike was messing around with a VHS camcorder.
 
Flexo said:
He was a parody of the guy from the neutral zone episode. Mike mentioned this
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Fools Idol said:
You know what? I like Janeway.
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Why are her civilian clothes virginial white? Is Jeri Taylor trying to tell us something?
 
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AnOminous said:
Someone compared it to 2001 earlier which I don't really think is fair, since that was meant to be a slow, arty (or you might even say pretentious) film and not to make much sense on first viewing, while TMP seemed to want to be an action picture while having a sometimes glacial pace. So 2001 succeeded better at what it was trying to do.

That said TMP is still mostly solid and has some amazing scenes, like the horrifying transporter malfunction scene, and a generally good plot with a nice twist.
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It is kind of a middlebrow version of 2001 (this still makes it smarter than every major movie released in 2021) and Spock penetrating V'Ger's orifice was a donut steel Dave Bowman psychedelic space trip. Which is weird, since it came out after Star Wars and only got funded due to the studio wanting a Star Wars type blockbuster.

Idk if 2001 was pretentious tho. Artsy? Sure. Kubrick was a legit genius with a camera and didn't mind flaunting it. It's amazing how well that movie still holds up, visually. It's 53 years old and still looks better than most sci fi films today.

I still like TMP, it's slow and it's boring, and I didn't like Captain Pedo or the bald chick. But it's kinda soothing, and while the flimsy plot doesn't quite support the gravitas they're reaching for, at least they tried making something grand. Something that shows us a little of the awe, and wonder, and sheer enormity of space.

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I think that for TMP a lot of us old trekkies we just pumped to see the crew back together after the end of ToS.

All we had back then to sustain us were crappy VCR tapes or reruns at 3am. To see them back and on the big screen was amazing.

Sure the plot was kinda slow and some of the sets and costumes look kinda cheap but damn...it was good to see. I saw it every Saturday for like 4 weeks.

Kids these days...so spoiled what with there fancy internets and constant fan service.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
For example, "It's how we feel Mr. Spock"...followed by Spock ignoring Uhura and literally turning his back on her. But then you have the wonderful scene of Spock telling Jim that human touch is beyond V'ger's comprehension.
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That part confused me for a bit too, but I realized I had been watching the scene on Vulcan without subtitles for like the last eight years. I looked it up on Youtube instead of my pirated files and the ceremony is supposed to be the final expulsion of emotion from a Vulcan acolyte, but Spock stops it unconsciously at the last minute, feeling he can't complete it.

Those weird scenes afterwards where Spock is acting like (even more of) an autist are him interacting with the crew, but not really showing any emotion because the ceremony is supposed to have wiped that out. Same with him blowing Chekov off when he first steps on to the ship. Essentially its a setup for that scene where he's laughing and explains everything to Kirk. There's another scene before it where Kirk and Bones talk to him about it in Kirk's quarters, but I've found that scene is left out of some cuts of the movie so like, I dunno how many people have even seen the fucking thing.
 
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The Janeway moment that baffled me the most was when she told 7 of 9 that she wouldn't allow her to return to the Borg collective.

Now a good reasoning for this would be "You've been on my ship, and I won't allow you to take any information you've learned to give it to the Borg and potentially hurt my crew".

But Janeway's reasoning was essentially "You're an individual now! You'll take your individuality and fucking like it! Do what I say!". The whole exchanged made Janeway look like an overly controlling psycho and undermined any good argument she has for individuality outside of The Borg.
 
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