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That feeling when you're watching a classic episode and then realize the Klingon captain is Stephen Root.
 
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Molly White's Breast Milk said:
Forget seat belts, where the fuck are the bathrooms? Shaw mentions the bridge crew was on station for 36 hours so does that mean they didn't get up to piss for 36 hours? Or are they hiding
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Schematics of the various Enterprises do show a bathroom are next to the Bridge. Which even if on station the bridge crew can literally walk a few steps to it, drop a load and get back to their seat. Unless the captain wants the ship's crew to cosplay as the crew of USS Texas (BB-35) during the Okinawa campaign.
 
Im watching the TOS for the first time and im suprised how grounded and how well the world building is done for a 1960's sci-fi show.
I have heard some describe it as a utopia but that seems like far from the truth as Starfleet seems about as corrupt as a regular goverment.

Also it's kind of endearing in how hopefully optemistic it is for the future. Like that scene with abrahm lincon and uhurua where instead of flipping out and sperging like and modern black would she dosen't even take offence. But thats also why this show could never be remade in the 60's most people looked forward towards the development of society while now it's a long race to the botoom. There is a fuck load of beautifull women in this show. Seriously what the fuck happend with casting attractive women?

My question is does ST: The next generation ever get good? So far from the episodes I have watched its the adventure of the arts professor and his annoying nephew.
 
Ben Kenobi said:
Im watching the TOS for the first time and im suprised how grounded and how well the world building is done for a 1960's sci-fi show.
I have heard some describe it as a utopia but that seems like far from the truth as Starfleet seems about as corrupt as a regular goverment.

Also it's kind of endearing in how hopefully optemistic it is for the future. Like that scene with abrahm lincon and uhurua where instead of flipping out and sperging like and modern black would she dosen't even take offence. But thats also why this show could never be remade in the 60's most people looked forward towards the development of society while now it's a long race to the botoom. There is a fuck load of beautifull women in this show. Seriously what the fuck happend with casting attractive women?

My question is does ST: The next generation ever get good? So far from the episodes I have watched its the adventure of the arts professor and his annoying nephew.
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I think the general consensus is that TNG really picks up steam and gets good in the third season. Although there are some good episodes in the 1st and 2nd seasons.
 
Ben Kenobi said:
My question is does ST: The next generation ever get good? So far from the episodes I have watched its the adventure of the arts professor and his annoying nephew.
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Both are products of their time, both with different views about the future according to those times. When people compare these two, they often don't consider this context. Also, TNG is different not only because it was made in a different decade, but because the show itself happens several decades after Kirk and Spock and Starfleet has changed a lot all those years later. The military today is not the same as it was 100 years ago because the challenges are not the same.

TNG is good. First season is a bit cringe because they still didn't know what direction to take, but in S2, they started to get their own identity apart from TOS. S3 and S4 are the peak, imo, although I enjoy S5 as the most adventurous of them all. S6 and S7 are ok.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Both are products of their time, both with different views about the future according to those times. When people compare these two, they often don't consider this context. Also, TNG is different not only because it was made in a different decade, but because the show itself happens several decades after Kirk and Spock and Starfleet has changed a lot all those years later. The military today is not the same as it was 100 years ago because the challenges are not the same.

TNG is good. First season is a bit cringe because they still didn't know what direction to take, but in S2, they started to get their own identity apart from TOS. S3 and S4 are the peak, imo, although I enjoy S5 as the most adventurous of them all. S6 and S7 are ok.
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TNG is very much Francis Fukuyama's utopia where military conflict was cosigned to the history books and the ideal is to expand peacefully by absorbing other planets with their consent. Course, even in the show that idea got smashed up and the Federation had to worry about foreign threats again.
 
Clown College 2nd Year said:
Although there are some good episodes in the 1st and 2nd seasons.
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Conspiracy still creeps the shit out of me, even today. Body snatchers taking over Starfleet and murdering anyone who smokes them out? Yeeaah... DS9 came close with the Leyton-related subplots. All of that kept me thinking why the writers never expanded on this concept that the Federation is vulnerable to infiltration, subversion and what you have.
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
Conspiracy still creeps the shit out of me, even today. Body snatchers taking over Starfleet and murdering anyone who smokes them out? Yeeaah... DS9 came close with the Leyton-related subplots. All of that kept me thinking why the writers never expanded on this concept that the Federation is vulnerable to infiltration, subversion and what you have.
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It really breaks the idea of utopia if infiltrators can randomly make the government horrible for citizens.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
TNG is very much Francis Fukuyama's utopia where military conflict was cosigned to the history books and the ideal is to expand peacefully by absorbing other planets with their consent. Course, even in the show that idea got smashed up and the Federation had to worry about foreign threats again.
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And in the real world, 9/11 really made Fukuyama look like a dumbfuck.
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
Conspiracy still creeps the shit out of me, even today. Body snatchers taking over Starfleet and murdering anyone who smokes them out? Yeeaah... DS9 came close with the Leyton-related subplots. All of that kept me thinking why the writers never expanded on this concept that the Federation is vulnerable to infiltration, subversion and what you have.
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If I remember correctly in the books, they retconned those aliens to be either a break-off faction of the Trill symbiotes or evolutionary cousins of them. Either way they come back infest some high-ranking politicians in the federation and cause some trouble. I think they call them blue-gills or something like that.
 
Ben Kenobi said:
Also it's kind of endearing in how hopefully optimistic it is for the future. Like that scene with abrahm lincon and uhurua where instead of flipping out and sperging like and modern black would she dosen't even take offence. But thats also why this show could never be remade in the 60's most people looked forward towards the development of society while now it's a long race to the botoom. There is a fuck load of beautifull women in this show. Seriously what the fuck happend with casting attractive women?
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The very last episode of original Star Trek was broadcast on June 3, 1969. Six weeks later white men landed on the Moon - in July of 1969. That day was America's greatest moment, and likely the world's. After that (to quote you) it was a race to the bottom. Original Star Trek was (back then) was criticized for being too "right wing", believe it or not. But after viewing a few episodes of ST:TNG it's clear why. Anyway, the very last episode of Original Star Trek (Turnabout Intruder) had Shatner playing a woman. Yes, a woman. Here he is in one scene using a nail file and in another after beating Dr. Janice Lester to her knees:



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Speaking of Abraham Lincoln, imagine Uhura's reaction had he spoken these real-life words of his:
 

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Reinhardo-sama said:
Conspiracy still creeps the shit out of me, even today. Body snatchers taking over Starfleet and murdering anyone who smokes them out? Yeeaah... DS9 came close with the Leyton-related subplots. All of that kept me thinking why the writers never expanded on this concept that the Federation is vulnerable to infiltration, subversion and what you have.
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I watched this last night. Great episode. Loved the head explosion at the end
 
Tasty Tatty said:
TNG is good. First season is a bit cringe because they still didn't know what direction to take, but in S2, they started to get their own identity apart from TOS. S3 and S4 are the peak, imo, although I enjoy S5 as the most adventurous of them all. S6 and S7 are ok.
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don't forget S1 re-using a lot of TOS scripts which feels off, and roddenberry still meddling till he left after S2.

CaptainAutism69 said:
I watched this last night. Great episode. Loved the head explosion at the end
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I miss the 90's like you wouldn't believe, no one gave a shit about stuff like that.
 
The Fountainhead said:
The very last episode of original Star Trek was broadcast on June 3, 1969. Six weeks later white men landed on the Moon - in July of 1969. That day was America's greatest moment, and likely the world's. After that (to quote you) it was a race to the bottom. Original Star Trek was (back then) was criticized for being too "right wing", believe it or not. But after viewing a few episodes of ST:TNG it's clear why. Anyway, the very last episode of Original Star Trek (Turnabout Intruder) had Shatner playing a woman. Yes, a woman. Here he is in one scene using a nail file and in another after beating Dr. Janice Lester to her knees:



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td-Z2-ICBn-Uhle.jpg

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Speaking of Abraham Lincoln, imagine Uhura's reaction had he spoken these real-life words of his:
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