Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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TOS was my mom's Star Trek. As a kid, I couldn't really get into it... I usually couldn't sit through an entire episode. The dated effects were a real turn-off. (I'd been spoiled by Star Wars.) I didn't even understand that the show was supposed to be in the future because it looked so 1960s.

Then one day we went over to my aunt's house. They had rented Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock. I thought those movies were pretty damn cool. So after that I went to see all the following films in the theater up though Nemesis.

Anyways, TNG debuted the year after the very fun The Voyage Home. I was just a kid and didn't really realize how shitty seasons 1 & 2 were. It looked good and modern, at least. My mom hated Wesley, something I now understand as an adult. The show happened to get get good, like it was growing up alongside me.

As an adult, I now prefer TOS.


Yeah, the TNG movies were kind of a drag. The Plinkett reviews of those films are dead on in their criticisms.
 
Ike Aim said:
It's the most Shatnerian of all of them (for good reason). Moments of intentional lameness that borders on disrespect punctuated by excellence.
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This. The movie itself kind of blew but this was one of the best Kirk moments. I both sympathized and agreed.

Also just re Picard, obviously Shatner understands his most well known character much better than Stewart does his own.
 
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I grew up on the Trek movies and consider the OG cast movies to be the peak of Trek. 6 is my fave, followed by 2, 4, 3, 5. Motion picture was weird and not fun.
Generations was ok, but the rest were just boring action movies.
 
AnOminous said:
Also just re Picard, obviously Shatner understands his most well known character much better than Stewart does his own.
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Shatner doesn't despise Kirk like Stewart does Picard. He's forever butt blasted that he, Sir Patrick Stewart, a classically trained theatre actor, is going to be remembered most for sci fi schlop.
 
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I grew up watching TNG as a kid due to many in my family being obsessed with it, however all attempts I've made to rewatch it later on just made me dislike it more, and it doesn't help that most of the TNG cast comes off as too pretentious for their own good. Doesn't help that I've always found Q to be horribly obnoxious too and just wanted to see him be permanently banished or atomized like Kirk did with all those other obnoxious omnipotent energy beings before him.

TOS, TOS:TAS, the DC TOS comics, Enterprise (minus the finale) and the first 4 or 5 films have always been more my bag. As for DS9, its good and rewatching it has been a far better experience than TNG but I just prefer to treat it as separate from TOS stuff.

The Fountainhead said:
As sometimes would happen in 1960's television, there would be crossovers from one TV series to another, as happened between Batman and The Green Hornet in 1966. Ratings-wise, Batman was the stronger of the two series, so the crossover was an attempt to boost the ratings of The Green Hornet:


https://youtube.com/watch?v=c4SxVP4Rb-I
But a far lesser known crossover occurred between Star Trek and Gilligan's Island by arranging a guest appearance by actor Bob Denver, to see if a comedy spin-off of the space show might catch on. Sadly, it did not....

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Is this why Gilligan's Planet exists?
 
TVBForever said:
Kinda like Bender and Flexo, right?
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not as similar, but still clearly related
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White Devil said:
Shatner doesn't despise Kirk like Stewart does Picard. He's forever butt blasted that he, Sir Patrick Stewart, a classically trained theatre actor, is going to be remembered most for sci fi schlop.
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Note that Shatner himself started as a theater actor. That's part of why he always had that scenery chewing style. He was used to projecting his voice enough that the people in the peanut gallery could hear.
 
AnOminous said:
Note that Shatner himself started as a theater actor. That's part of why he always had that scenery chewing style. He was used to projecting his voice enough that the people in the peanut gallery could hear.
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He also played Denny Crane in Boston Legal, a role he did so well in I routinely forgot he was Captain Kirk. Stewart really has nothing other than Picard and Dr. X, all characters from "low brow" popcorn movies.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Motion picture was weird and not fun.
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Definitely a weird one. TMP gets weirder every time I watch it. It feels like a Spock film that would see him falling in love with a space probe, but they thought better of that idea and mostly swapped Spock/probe for Decker/toaster-Illia. Icing on the cake is scrapping most of whatever that "love story" is for drive-your-custom-van-to-the-planetarium-light-show late 70's aesthetic. I still chuckle when Decker grabs Vger's dongle and turns to Kirk and is like "I want this!" It's like... why bro?
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White Devil said:
Shatner doesn't despise Kirk like Stewart does Picard. He's forever butt blasted that he, Sir Patrick Stewart, a classically trained theatre actor, is going to be remembered most for sci fi schlop.
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Yeah, there's probably some of that and as @AnOminous points out they're more similar than people realize - both Shakespeare theater fags - despite Shatner being Canadian and not >muh Majesty's Royal Theatre Company. Sir Patrick's pain runs deep, though. He basically blames TNG and the character of Picard for ruining his IRL marriage. He shared bits of that secret pain with Shatner in The Captains documentary, which is highly recommended, but it doesn't fully metastasize until he starts doing interviews for Picard nearly a decade later. It doesn't appear that anyone gained strength from the sharing, though. Blink and you'll miss , but also watch for the shot where Shatner almost yanks a frail and dementia-suffering Sally Kellerman's arm out of socket at a convention.

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Stewart is a full idiot. Picard is an amazing character to play, and quite important. SciFi is a valid genre, and playing Picard can be as culturally relevant as being known as the reference actor of a Shakespeare play (with apologizes to Shakespeare). If he didn't have a "better" career after TNG is entirely his fault for not getting a better agent.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Stewart is a full idiot. Picard is an amazing character to play, and quite important. SciFi is a valid genre, and playing Picard can be as culturally relevant as being known as the reference actor of a Shakespeare play (with apologizes to Shakespeare). If he didn't have a "better" career after TNG is entirely his fault for not getting a better agent.
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Well, he was in The Prince of Egypt, a few X-Men movies and importantly in American Chad as the Sigma Male Avery Bullock
 
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