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For introducing poz, DS9 had Trek's first lesbian kiss, and confusingly paralleled Bajoran terrorism both as Jews fighting Nazis and as Pallys fighting Jews.

The Ferengi episodes are the best ones. House of Quark is a favorite of mine.

Voyager did a lot really well. I liked the Q episodes, especially Death Wish. I'm glad the neurolythic pathogen in Endgame killed the Borg, and that Picard S3 built on that, as well as on all the best of Trek. Mulgrew is phenomenal. For DS9, In the Pale Moonlight is one of my favorites.
 
The most important tos episodes is definitely "shore leave" for introducing the best character in the franchise: Finnegan
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DS9 is probably my favorite franchise, but I haven't watched TNG from start to finish (catching a lot of episodes on TV back in the day, but never truly went through them one by one).
 
GenociderSyo said:
Lineage was kind of important for B'Elanna's story line and did have an interesting debate on just how fine the line is when you begin genetically altering things.
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I don't like how it brands B'Elanna's perspective as flat out wrong. She knows that the child will have a hard time being stuck between two entirely different cultures, because she has had that exact problem her entire life. Also, for some reason the show always wanted her to prefer her Klingon side over her Human side. However, I agree that the episode doesn't belong on the list and removed it.
Interestingly enough, in Endgame we see their daughter follow her Klingon ancestry instead of her Human one. Maybe B'Elanna was erasing the wrong genes after all.

m1ddl3m4rch said:
and confusingly paralleled Bajoran terrorism both as Jews fighting Nazis and as Pallys fighting Jews
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Are you sure? Star Trek's appeal is that politics is dealt with tactfully. Instead of drawing direct comparison, the writers use proxies and they always leave humanity out of it. Yes, sometimes this isn't the case and we end up with episodes where the Voyager crew fight the evil Hirogen Nazis. Still, those episodes are not the reason why we like Star Trek.

In the end, the most productive way to look at things is to just look at Cardassians as Cardassians and Bajorans as Bajorans. Don't be like the Redditors that scrounge for bits and pieces they can use to assign their politics onto the franchise.
 
I literally only watched clips of Picard Season 3 and the finale.

My greatest praise for NuTrek is that they basically rewound time and made the TNG end with everyone at the Poker table again. Does that mean it was worth the ungodly mediocre Nemesis and the first two seasons of Picard? Of course not. But I'm happy that Data isn't dead.

Data was always my favorite TNG character. Brent Spiner is the finest character actor Trek ever had. So yeah while Paramount dragged Star Trek out and murdered it gruesomely I'm content that TNG ended again where it belonged.

I'm not defending even Picard S3 in its entirety, there's a lot of stupid shit in it. But it does feel like Terry Matalas is the only guy in the industry who likes Star Trek.
 
The Pulverizer said:
I don't like how it brands B'Elanna's perspective as flat out wrong. She knows that the child will have a hard time being stuck between two entirely different cultures, because she has had that exact problem her entire life. Also, for some reason the show always wanted her to prefer her Klingon side over her Human side. However, I agree that the episode doesn't belong on the list and removed it.
Interestingly enough, in Endgame we see their daughter follow her Klingon ancestry instead of her Human one. Maybe B'Elanna was erasing the wrong genes after all.
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That was one thing a bit annoying about how they treated her. Even Random Thoughts attempted to play the issue off as her being Klingon when anyone could have random violent thoughts. Barge of the Dead even explained why she is so against it since her mother found humans to be weak.

DS9 Ezri was pretty polarizing on if people were willing to watch that last season.
 
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GenociderSyo said:
That was one thing a bit annoying about how they treated her. Even Random Thoughts attempted to play the issue off as her being Klingon when anyone could have random violent thoughts. Barge of the Dead even explained why she is so against it since her mother found humans to be weak.
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Well observed. Also the human was the father, and he left because he really was too weak for a Klingon bride. Belanna was a great character. Dreadnought and Prototype were great episodes, all focused on her.
GenociderSyo said:
DS9 Ezri was pretty polarizing on if people were willing to watch that last season.
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Firing Terry Farrell was polarizing, and any replacement would be in that firing's shadow. Nicole De Boer wasn't terrible. The line that sticks out to me is when Ezri says to Worf in passing, early in S7, "Worf, we need to talk." It was when she got back to the station and she says it all chipper. Lady, he was recently widowed. You have his widow's memories. You should know not to do that. And why isn't she traumatized from the memories of Jadzia's murder?
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
You are right it wasn't Star Trek that did it first.
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Well, that wasn't like, a drama tv show type thing, and there's a different dynamic for those two than you'd usually consider for "an interracial kiss"
Not that Kirk and Uhura was really presented as sexy times or anything either
 
Pissmaster said:
Excellent idea for a thread. I just got into Star Trek earlier in the year, watched most of TNG, and it became one of my favorite shows of all time.

It's kind of amazing how up-and-down Star Trek can be. One episode can be fantastic, the next can be a stinker. Even TNG has that going on, though most of the show is terrific. It is also intimidating as all hell to jump into Star Trek and find that I've got 28 American-sized seasons (30 if you count TAS) to watch, plus ten movies, and every last bit of it is autistically well documented.
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It depended on the writers a lot of the time, that and Roddenberry's influence. I loved watching star trek growing up, renting the disc's from the library, own a fair bit myself lol.

What you got to understand, until you got to DS9, there was little structure other than a few threads and "adventure ".

DS9 was Kino. Enterprise improved with time. TNG was a smooth ride once you got past season one. TOS was goofy in all its 60's glory. The TOS movies are a treasure, the bad ones included; if you aren't laughing at Star Trek V, you aren't human lol. Voyager was there for me, but I quit around S4 if memory serves. The JJ films are good to get people INTO Trek, but they pale in comparison to the past. Everything else is trash
 
WelperHelper99 said:
It depended on the writers a lot of the time, that and Roddenberry's influence.
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I feel like Season 2 had a special charm that other seasons lacked. Since Rodenberry was less involved with the other seasons, it has to be his influence that gave it that charm. The fact that he wasn't involved with any of the movies and then attracted an illness while working on TNG kinda makes me sad.

What makes me even more sad is how nutrek is raping his legacy. I don't want anyone to think of STD or the other trash that's being produced as Star Trek, even if they are a minority.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
It depended on the writers a lot of the time, that and Roddenberry's influence. I loved watching star trek growing up, renting the disc's from the library, own a fair bit myself lol.

What you got to understand, until you got to DS9, there was little structure other than a few threads and "adventure ".

DS9 was Kino. Enterprise improved with time. TNG was a smooth ride once you got past season one. TOS was goofy in all its 60's glory. The TOS movies are a treasure, the bad ones included; if you aren't laughing at Star Trek V, you aren't human lol. Voyager was there for me, but I quit around S4 if memory serves. The JJ films are good to get people INTO Trek, but they pale in comparison to the past. Everything else is trash
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I was going to agree until you said this part. JJ Trek is NOT a good entry point for Good Star Trek. Quality aside, it creates all kinds of wrong expectations when watching old stuff. Star Trek is frenetic action? No. Star Trek characters shout at each other? Very rarely. Technology looks like the Apple store? Not really.
 
I like the second season of TNG and I wish Pulaski (who was part of Roddenberry's harem) remained part of the crew. I liked her interactions with Worf and Data. Probably one of the rare times where a human character acted like a normal person.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I was going to agree until you said this part. JJ Trek is NOT a good entry point for Good Star Trek. Quality aside, it creates all kinds of wrong expectations when watching old stuff. Star Trek is frenetic action? No. Star Trek characters shout at each other? Very rarely. Technology looks like the Apple store? Not really.
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It got me into Star Trek. Obviously if you keep thinking it's just gonna be like the JJ films, that's dumb, but for a intro to get you to dive deeper, I feel it works. Watch the TOS movies after, that's what I'll say
 
Asian tech support said:
If the nuTrek shows were more like JJ Trek, I probably wouldn't have tapped out so early.
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JJ Trek had charm, cool space battles, and actual sexy women, enough to draw people into the autism vortex. It's not a replacement, fuck no, but on its own, it's a good baby's first Star Trek.
 
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