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Welcome to post-smartphone 2010s minimalism. Enterprise did a great job of making the ships seem dated yet futuristic; in the new shows they make things seem dated by making them minimalistic.
Its less minimalism and more the brutalist communist design philosophy they have toward ship design. No longer is it about the spirit of freedom or exploring new frontiers in the same vein as the Enterprise and including her DNA in the ship design, but it's all about pointless IRL HR Bureaucracy and excessive moralfaggotry. Which produces ships that are just as hideous and lifeless.
 
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Which also released long after the TNG shows stopped airing and before the TNG films started being produced.
Generations production started before TNG S7 wrapped up, but that does not invalidate the rest of your point. Not only ship design but the interiors. I hate both the flying Apple store look from the Abrams movies and the batcave look from Picard. Hate hate hate.
 
Welcome to post-smartphone 2010s minimalism. Enterprise did a great job of making the ships seem dated yet futuristic; in the new shows they make things seem dated by making them minimalistic.
I'll admit that I didn't like the look of NX-01 as I thought it was a flip of the Akira-class and is downgraded TNG rather than upscaled NASA, but it's definitely better than what they make now. So much so that they have to lean on Enterprise memberberries to help S3 of Picard. While I'm at it, the Orville ship designs are a bit lacking too. While the Orville itself looks good as a frigate, the Union ship designs are a bit samey, like they all have similar mission specialties. Berman-era Trek had a pretty good idea of distinguishing which ships were scouts, flagships, cruisers, battleships, and destroyers escorts.
 
Stick to the end of this post, Star Trek is involved I promise.

Ok so there's this game called "universus" (it's actually on its third iteration) in which part of the appeal is that you can have almost any character fight any other one no matter how much sense it makes.

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Well they made an announcement of what's coming in 2024.
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Though I have to admit, it is darkly amusing to me that of everything new trek, Lower Decks is getting tie-in game merch before anything else. (I'm still going to have Mariner get beat up by Godzilla though.)

Oh! And made by the same company but different news?
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Release Date: October 2024

STAR TREK™: Star Realms is a complete starship combat deck-building game for 2-4 players. Command ships from the Romulan, Klingon, Dominion, and Federation fleets. Play head-to-head or engage in multiplayer modes that offer both versus and cooperative experiences. Fully compatible with other Star Realms® products, this game allows you to build and command your fleet in thrilling space battles.

TM & © 2024 CBS Studios Inc. STAR TREK and related marks and logos are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Star Realms and related marks and logos are trademarks of Wise Wizard Games.

Looking forward to that because the previous Trek DBG was... not the best, and the star realms engine is really good.
 
So...
On a scale from One piece to Bubsy, how dead is this franchise and the people's interest regard it?
 
Corrected for accuracy because all viewing metrics and ST merch sale numbers has this franchise in the toilet dollar wise.
I've seen this happen too many times. The capeshit/niggerlover/gay crowd getting pandered to will get bored and leave while genuine fans have already quit long ago, the franchise will be left in shambles and ultimately canned for being a financial bomb, the IP will be stuck in cryostasis in the hands of some corpo which doesn't want to touch it again, and 10 years later some journo nigger will explain it away as Star Trek having "outlived its relevance" or being an "unsalvageable relic of the past" or some other bullshit like that.

I hope I'm fucking wrong.
 
So...
On a scale from One piece to Bubsy, how dead is this franchise and the people's interest regard it?
I'm not sure I get your cultural referents. Bubsy is that video game that Ullillillia played, and One Piece is ... a boy band? K-Pop? Anime?

Anyway, Trek has been dead to me since the end of Enterprise. The franchise had been in awful shape for years, but the last season of Enterprise showed marked improvement before the whole thing flatlined. People often die the same way. Incidentally, I just learned Manny Coto died a year ago. He was working on American Horror Story, then his pancreas went all cancerous and that was it. Kobayashi Maru.

But Enterprise was the end of an era, the end of a continuous series of TV that Gene Roddenberry kicked off with TNG, and the exit of his successor Rick Berman and everyone else involved. Although Berman and Braga had clearly run their course by the end, and several other key creative forces were no longer working in Star Trek, they were the apostles. They had met the Great Bird, they had broken stories with Piller and Moore. They could have handed the franchise off to Coto to ensure continuous succession, new blood carrying on old traditions. It was not to be. Oh, well.
 
One Piece is ... a boy band? K-Pop? Anime?
One piece is an anime that is still ongoing - has a ton of tie-in merch, got turned into a live-action series so good it's getting a second season and is STILL ongoing at something like a million chapters all still done by the original creator.
 
I was sure The Orville was getting canceled after season 3, so I never ended up watching it, but I’m going through it now and season 3 is even more Trek than the first and second seasons.

Also, I just looked it up and apparently Steve SmithScott Grimes recently said production for season 4 starts in January. :)
 
I'm not sure I get your cultural referents. Bubsy is that video game that Ullillillia played, and One Piece is ... a boy band? K-Pop? Anime?
I should've used Pupa instead of bubsy, but employing anime a second time felt redundant; my point was to make a range between the feanchise that is most thriving, has the larger amount of fans, the better lovers/haters ratio and the most dead of franchises that nobody likes.
 
I was sure The Orville was getting canceled after season 3, so I never ended up watching it, but I’m going through it now and season 3 is even more Trek than the first and second seasons.

Also, I just looked it up and apparently Steve SmithScott Grimes recently said production for season 4 starts in January. :)


OMG. That’s awesome. I assumed it had been killed off. Best thing Seth MacFarlane has ever done
 
I was sure The Orville was getting canceled after season 3, so I never ended up watching it, but I’m going through it now and season 3 is even more Trek than the first and second seasons.

Also, I just looked it up and apparently Steve SmithScott Grimes recently said production for season 4 starts in January. :)
That's great news. I thought it was done. Probably my favourite show of the last decade.
 
Oh! LoL I think I get the joke now.

It is funny how much the show forgets wide-beam phasers are a thing.

Heck as Chuck pointed out, the Federation had lightweight phaser proof barrels they could have make body armor out of as well as a gun that could shoot teleporting bullets through walls, how were they losing the war to the Dominion?
That whole rifle shooting through walls thing was a really bad idea to introduce. a weapon that can do that would be an absolutely massive advantage for all kinds of situations and is insanely overpowered when you stop to think about all the things that could be done with that kind of tech. That said, there was alot of weirdness going on with that rifle beyond the whole mini transporter built in thing. The way they were talking about developing a projectile weapon made it sound like it was in R&D for years while they tried to figure out how to make an effective projectile weapon, as if it was something nobody knew anything about. Sure they hadn't been generally used for a couple hundred years but the technology itself should have been well known and easily available. It shouldn't have taken long at all to develop an effective modern rifle for the era. Hell i'm a bit surprised they never kept them in production in general over the previous centuries due to the very reasons they stated they had created that one - environments where directed energy weapons wouldn't work

As for why they were losing the war....to be fair sheer strength in numbers probably was a big part of it. I mean the feds have some of the most advanced technology in the quadrant and vast resources but they're also over stretched, outnumbered 20 : 1, have a vast territory to defend and their forces aren't really designed for war, let alone large scale, long term war. Replacing their losses in personnel, resources and ships is difficult. The dominion on the other hand has the ability to mass produce and replace lost soldiers in literally 3 days and produce ships at a rate far exceeding fed production speed. If the feds engage a dominion force and destroy 20 ships those personnel are replaced in days and the ships probably soon after. If the feds lose 1 ship in that engagement they lose a ship that will take months to replace and a crew that would take literally years to replace. Even a large loss is an overall win for the dominion so long as they take a few ships with them. Over time those gains will far outweigh their own losses. This is essentially what happened right from the start of the war. The feds got real cocky at the start and threw large fleets at them, got their asses handed to them and within a few months were facing huge losses, manpower shortages and losing entire fleets to ambushes
 
I'm watching S5 of Discovery because I can't help myself, I'm disgusting. I thought the last season of Picard was by far the best of the whole show, ditching all the boring and gay shit from all the other seasons and going straight for blasting and a faster pace, so I thought I had to give it another chance. No such luck here though for Discovery.

I thought Discovery S1 was good, S2 ok, rest complete shit. Boring, too much talking about feelings, actual fags and trannies onboard, irritating. Also, Burnham went from being cool tough alpha bitch to easy going dreadlock qween S3 onwards which was really lame. Fuck a lifetime of Vulcan logic and sparking a war, it's time to go Black Alert and Shaneequa it up (I like to imagine "Black Alert" is what she says to warp instead of "Lets fly" which is weak and gay). Coincidentally after meeting a nigger in the future, perhaps the writers are actually racists.

People in this thread have said it before and I agree, being so far in the future, the writers just use that as an excuse to basically invent magic and say it's future tech. Personal transporters are stupid, Burnham and Rayner transported from the bridge to the ready room rather than walk 20 paces. Also, imagine working on Discovery, feeling that at any time your boss might materialise right behind you and ask what you're doing. Being at home smoking a J and your wife and son appear in the living room, it would be a living nightmare. Is beating off just verboten?

Also, Tilly is fucking FAT and I would NOT have sex with her.
 
The Federation should have genocided the Founders. It was deserved for all their atrocities.

Much like the atomic bombing of Japan it was not just reprisal but a warning to others that if you push us we can and will end you.
 
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