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I wish Wesley had ended up on Turkana IV with the rape gangs. Make a man out of that brat.
Turkana IV is one of those dirty open secrets about the Federation no one likes to talk about in-universe. First of all, it's a planet that fell apart due to Antifa-type people, which can only happen from government incompetence. Second of all, the Feds took an incredibly passive-aggressive stance by refusing to restore order and no, the Prime Directive does not apply to colonists. It was their duty to interfere with Federation colonists renouncing their citizenship. Third, neighboring species got spooked by watching this enlightened Human colony fall apart, which combined with the lax colonization standards the Feds give their colonists, put them on edge and probably caused a bunch of small brushfire wars with the Cardassians, Talarians, Tzenkethi, and the Shelliak Corporate in the 2300-50s. I wouldn't want to live near a gang colony planet.

It can't be made due to licensing issues, but early 24th century Star Trek is very under-explored despite having a lot of familiar aesthetics. It's the time when the Excelsiors are considered top-of-the-line and the Ambassador is the experimental design, so running Mirandas and Constellations/Constitutions isn't quite the death sentence it would later become.
 
Say what you will about Alexander, he did man up and volunteer to enlist in the KDF and eventually earned the respect from his peers. Although just not in the way he initially expected.

Starfleet did got into the odd position of having more metal than meat after the boneyards been emptied and new ship production ramped up. In addition of skeleton crewing some classes of ships like the Miranda to the absolute minimum. Enlistment standards being lower to accept anyone who can meet basic requirements is a given.

Star Trek Online did repeatedly mentioned and discussed this while taking it to the logical conclusion. With the Dominion War and everything else that happened afterwards in that particular universe, the Federation had been forced to keep reducing the requirements of every position. Case in point position of captain for a major Starfleet vessel like example a Galaxy or Sovereign class. Where one needed to be a senior officer to do so. Later to be reduced to junior officer, and than later noncomission officer. Again later to Starfleet enlisted to Federation citizen to currently anybody who walks off the street to a Starfleet recruitment office and signs the dotted line.
And yet again I'm reminded why I believe they should have wiped out the founders. They got off east after what they did to humanity. The Cardassians got what was coming to them but every last JemHadar, Vorta, and Changeling should have been out to the sword.

Who would have stopped them? The Klingons? Shit they would have helped with it.
 
And yet again I'm reminded why I believe they should have wiped out the founders. They got off east after what they did to humanity.
Dominion is too powerful for the Federation, Klingons, Romulans and smaller allies to get to war with. Not just shortly after the previous war with the Dominion having just ended and almost no time to recover from it. The Prophets undisplacing that Dominion fleet they had previously displaced, made that point abundantly clear to the Alpha quadrant.
With the Victory is Life expansion conclusion Odo is in charge of the Dominion. With major reformations being done, first of which the Jem'Hadar being free of their enslavement* to the founders and most importantly ketracel-white. But that was the last expansion done before CBS/Paramount told them to start doing ST: D shit. *Those that choose to be free and nothing stopping those haven't choose to from making that decision later.
The Cardassians got what was coming to them but every last JemHadar, Vorta, and Changeling should have been out to the sword.
The Cardassians already got their comeuppance when the Dominion heavily depopulated their home world of them. Secondly Garak is in charge of the Cardassians now. Highly counterproductive as that will be also targeting the free Jem'Hadar who're strongly helping Odo reform the Dominion.
 
TBF, every child character on TNG sucked. It wasn't a good decision characterwise, but as a practical consideration to making the show enjoyable to watch it was.
Exception: Nog.

And I think Naomi was ok. (and I mean as an actor - and not just... well how incredibly hot she grew up to be)
 
Lower Decks' last season premiered last week. It's sad when a Star Trek show premiers and no one cares because the franchise is so shit now. I'm gonna go jump in my bird of prey, fly around sun really fast, and go back to 1990. I'll see all of you in 2013 when Null starts the site.
 
Lower Decks' last season premiered last week. It's sad when a Star Trek show premiers and no one cares because the franchise is so shit now. I'm gonna go jump in my bird of prey, fly around sun really fast, and go back to 1990. I'll see all of you in 2013 when Null starts the site.
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS. Make sure DS-9 gets an 8th season.
 
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS. Make sure DS-9 gets an 8th season.
After seeing what they had planned with season 8 I'm going to not do that. The only show I'm going to mess with is Babylon 5 by making sure it's never threatened with a cancelation after season four so we can have a real fifth season.
 
How seven didnt end up with the Doctor is completely crazy. They had the chemistry, was even hinted at more than a few times and it just made sense with them both being outsiders trying to discover their humanity that they would find it in each other.
The producers knew. During the finale the Doctor's future wife is first shown from behind and is teased to be Seven.
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Been watching Pluto since it's free and I can watch Unsolved Mysteries, Rescue 911, and 48 hours.

I can also watch random episodes of TNG and DS9. Tonight TNG "Pre-emptive Strike" was on.

I totally forgot Picard basically created a false flag to capture some Macquis. What a slimy move.
 
TBF, every child character on TNG sucked. It wasn't a good decision characterwise, but as a practical consideration to making the show enjoyable to watch it was.
Wouldn't a better compromise have been to just have "ensign" level young adult children characters? that way they can fuck off to their regular lower deck job when the plot didn't need them but they'd still be there in the background if they had a good idea? like imagine Wesley but played by someone a couple years older, fresh out of the academy. You can still do the kid stuff by handwaving away it as immaturity but they wouldn't have been such a burden.
Space Affirmative Action?
sometimes star trek really was just "captain planet" for teenagers.
 
Wouldn't a better compromise have been to just have "ensign" level young adult children characters? that way they can fuck off to their regular lower deck job when the plot didn't need them but they'd still be there in the background if they had a good idea? like imagine Wesley but played by someone a couple years older, fresh out of the academy. You can still do the kid stuff by handwaving away it as immaturity but they wouldn't have been such a burden.
I think you might be on to something. The TNG episode (coincidentally called "Lower Decks") was actually pretty good iirc. It would have been better if they had expanded on those new characters who survived after that episode... Not that there was much time to do so as it was a mid-season Season 7 episode.

I have to admit, the cartoon which shares the same name... Isn't as irredeemably garbage as most of current day Trek is. The concept is decent enough, and sometimes it even manages to be decent. It's just thwarted by most of the main cast being really fucking obnoxious, especially the main black chick. The stupid winks to the camera about previous Trek episodes, and things that happened in them, that there's no way the characters should know about, don't help matters either... But I will confess, I don't hate Lower Decks as much as I hate STD, JJ Trek, or Strange New Worlds..
 
The producers knew. During the finale the Doctor's future wife is first shown from behind and is teased to be Seven.
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Was this during the alternate timeline future that Janeway later rerolled? I thought they made a huge deal of Seven being dead. In fact you could argue it was specifically Seven dying that caused the chain of events that made Janeway want to change the past. Having her still around (as a hologram?) raises questions.

My bad, I keep wasting brainpower trying to analyze that fucking finale. It's been over a month since I saw it and it still perplexes me.

I have to admit, the cartoon which shares the same name... Isn't as irredeemably garbage as most of current day Trek is. The concept is decent enough, and sometimes it even manages to be decent. It's just thwarted by most of the main cast being really fucking obnoxious, especially the main black chick. The stupid winks to the camera about previous Trek episodes, and things that happened in them, that there's no way the characters should know about, don't help matters either... But I will confess, I don't hate Lower Decks as much as I hate STD, JJ Trek, or Strange New Worlds..
I keep hearing people praising TLD but I will never be able to bring myself to watch it because I just know a show with that obnoxious fucking artstyle is going to be full to the brim of punchable millennial "humor".
 
sometimes star trek really was just "captain planet" for teenagers.
Hey! You keep that shit in the politics thread where it belongs!

But I will confess, I don't hate Lower Decks as much as I hate STD, JJ Trek, or Strange New Worlds..
I like lower decks, which I'm certain I've said before. Crippled as it is by the environment in which it was created, it still has something that all the other nu-trek lacks: it's made by people who actually enjoyed the older series. Even the callbacks, obnoxious as they can be, come from a place of sincerity, or at least not the abject disgust that picard or STD showed for the past. Lower decks even got something right that the other nu-trek shows keep getting wrong: Vulcans. Discovery and strange new worlds seem to operate on the assumption that vulcans are genetically logical, rather than just having spent a lifetime training to be that way (the snw episode where a bunch of the crew were turned into vulcans with magical science juice is the best example of that: they all became coldly logical an unemotional, which made no sense to anyone who actually understood vulcans). Meanwhile, in lower decks, vulcans are shown the correct way, as creatures who have spent a lifetime mastering their intense emotions, which means they can lose control if the circumstances are right.

Oh I could rant about how vulcans are portrayed, post-enterprise. That was the last show to get them right; everything since then has been the normie "I remember doctor spock from that space show!" idea of vulcans. It drives me potty just knowing those people are writing star trek now. What else are they getting wrong? Are they even getting anything right? Why are they obsessed with making everything bigger and louder?

Basically, I like it because it remembers where it came from and what the ideals of star trek were, unlike all the rest. Even if it's not very good at living up to them, it at least tries. That seems to be the underlying theme of the entire show as well; people who aren't the effortless elite, who want to be better than they are and actually reach for it, rather than just whining about ideologicalisms and fucking white males. I like to believe it would be a lot more popular if it hadn't been saddled with all the baggage of the wider kurtzman trek dreck.

I also subscribe to the belief that Kurtzman hates it, as much as he pretends otherwise. He's clearly the reason it's getting cancelled, despite its ratings being consistently high. To me, it's obvious he farmed off all the trouble-makers to the show, the people who actually like trek, and expected it to be a one-season flop so he could get rid of them on the back of its failure, and has spent the last five years seething that it didn't work.
 
Lower decks even got something right that the other nu-trek shows keep getting wrong: Vulcans. Discovery and strange new worlds seem to operate on the assumption that vulcans are genetically logical, rather than just having spent a lifetime training to be that way (the snw episode where a bunch of the crew were turned into vulcans with magical science juice is the best example of that: they all became coldly logical an unemotional, which made no sense to anyone who actually understood vulcans). Meanwhile, in lower decks, vulcans are shown the correct way, as creatures who have spent a lifetime mastering their intense emotions, which means they can lose control if the circumstances are right.
ngl I was kinda impressed back in the day when FlareTrek 1 not only understood that but made it a big plot point
 
Resumed my DS9 watching. Here is my stream of consciousness reactions.

Armageddon game: lazy aliens differentiated by hair. Bashir and O'Brien make a good bro couple. Why not shoot the harvesters into the sun? Remember no Russian Kellerun. O'Brien is back in nam. Harvesters seem like space aids. Quarks toast and the 57th rule of acquisition was great. Keiko and the coffee conspiracy. Bashirs ballet gfs dad offers him a job, more proof money still exists. O'Brien badass request to die on his feet. How many Starfleet officers were these people ready to disappear? Decent episode 8/10


Whispers: Who they are? It's the Jews er Ferengi O'Brien! Yo why is Keiko such a bitch? O'Brien schizo episode. Obrien as Francis E Dec. "The worldwide gangster nigger commander Sisko enslaves the Paradans" The stew is poisoned! Miles O'Brien ninja smoke bomb attack! You'd think they'd lock up the runabouts better. A replicant!?! Wasn't expecting that to be honest. 8.5/10. I like O'Brien heavy episodes.
Uh picking off where this guy left off since he got me into watching DS9.

Paradise: Female Ted Kaczynski tries to turn Sisko into a field nigger O'Brien continues to be great. Dax "lassoing" the Rio Grande out of warp was cool. "What we have here is a failure to become a Luddite!" Avery Brooks demos his Roots audition. Once again Starfleet fails to properly punish a criminal. Alexus specifically sabotaged a colony mission and was responsible for any subsequent deaths. Should have turned her over to the Cardassians. They know how to handle ideological extremists. Solid episode. Great acting by Colm and Brooks. Season 2 continues to deliver. Will update with more episodes in the future.
 
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