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Eumeswil4427 said:
Is there a post in the thread or somewhere that is a guide to Star Trek watching for first-timers? I watched TOS a few years back, might give it another go-around. Upon hearing that the time war is a major plot point in ENT, I don't really want to continue it. I've seen bits of Voyager, and bits of TNG, but I stopped with Wesley doing the simulations.

EDIT: I understand that the OP and first few pages talk about it, but maybe that's changed in the last 12 years
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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Watch DS9.
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Just let us know when you get to the episode with Morn's big long speech. We all want to know what you think about the unfinished Quark's Daughter plotline that was supposed to get resolved in S8. Now we'll never know.
 
Dr. Sexbot said:
Just let us know when you get to the episode with Morn's big long speech. We all want to know what you think about the unfinished Quark's Daughter plotline that was supposed to get resolved in S8. Now we'll never know.
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Morn got way too much dialogue in general. Mark Allen Shepherd is a fantastic actor but holy shit.
 
Dr. Sexbot said:
Just let us know when you get to the episode with Morn's big long speech. We all want to know what you think about the unfinished Quark's Daughter plotline that was supposed to get resolved in S8. Now we'll never know.
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The day star trek online finally brings back Quark's daughter and finishes her story is the day i return.

Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Morn got way too much dialogue in general. Mark Allen Shepherd is a fantastic actor but holy shit.
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You take that back! Every line he uttered was solid gold and I will not tolerate such slander in my presence!

If anything I wish I could find that rumored script where the entire episode was going to be one long Morn monologue voice-over explaining what happened. The cowards should not only have done it - they should have made it a two-parter!
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I would love to hear this.
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iirc basically all of DS9 is on Nico, I don't have a particular link handy but I'm pretty sure she drops an ara~ early into In The Pale Moonlight?
edit yeah nah probably not in Pale Moonlight, but I'm almost certain I've heard her ara a few times, I'll see if I can scrounge one up in a day or few
 
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Enterprise is bad. I’m just now emotionally prepared to explain how.

Its big swing was "realism". They introduce the MACOs, and you're like, "Oh hell yeah, finally the Redshirts get guns that work." The show also tried to wring drama out of extremely basic starship functions, like, grappling a shuttle. Or, beaming something down. Truly edge-of-your-seat stuff.

But then there's the cast.

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Trip is your designated everyman. John Billingsley is the only one with any juice. Shran had potential but he was stuck in guest spots. T’Pol is “Seven of Nine at Home,” except the home is on fire. Reed is fascinating, because I think they wanted him to be the new Ensign Kim, except instead of being a plucky rookie, he’s, like, 42.

Eventually, the writers realized emulating Voyager was a mistake and tried to steer the ship toward Deep Space Nine. The result was a confused Scott Bakula. He just clenches his teeth like he’s trying to pass a kidney stone.

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Plot-wise, the first season introduces the Suliban, who are basically the Taliban but with time-traveling puppet masters from the future. That goes nowhere, so we pivot to the Xindi, a coalition of aliens who hate each other but decide to build a giant space drill to blow up Earth anyway. Their motivation? Also from time-traveling puppet masters.

By this point, the show is flailing so hard it actually explains why Klingons looked different in the '60s. It’s boring and stupid. And that’s kind of the thing with Enterprise S3-4 in general. Just a sad parade of callback guys. Brent Spiner shows up because no one asked for that. Romulans are so neutered they have to file forms in triplicate before attacking. Augments try very hard to be Khan 2.0, except Khan had a reason to look like shit. You know what Enterprise needs? More Ferengi.

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I can't really recommend one season or even one episode of Star Trek Enterprise. Because every episode comes with a dozen disclaimers like a used car with no brakes. If the acting doesn’t ruin it, the self-referential writing will. And even if you make peace with that, you still have to accept that none of it is going anywhere, because every season is a soft reboot and instead of trying to fix itself it just starts cosplaying as better Star Trek.
 
Captain Syrup said:
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"Carbon Creek" was a great episode. There are a few diamonds in the rough but you're right that there are so many things wrong with Enterprise. Reed was such a crybaby. Travis was cool and I like Bakula as an actor, but casting him as Archer was not good. Blalock was a great Vulcan, in my opinion, but the writers didn't know what to do with T'Pol. In my opinion, the biggest mistake the writers made with Enterprise was the Temporal War shit. Time travel is fucking gay and retarded and so are alternate universes 99% of the time.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
"Carbon Creek" was a great episode. There are a few diamonds in the rough but you're right that there are so many things wrong with Enterprise. Reed was such a crybaby. Travis was cool and I like Bakula as an actor, but casting him as Archer was not good. Blalock was a great Vulcan, in my opinion, but the writers didn't know what to do with T'Pol. In my opinion, the biggest mistake the writers made with Enterprise was the Temporal War shit. Time travel is fucking gay and retarded and so are alternate universes 99% of the time.
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According to Branagh and Braga (or however you spell their names), the Temporal Cold War wasn't their idea. UPN demanded time travel as part of Enterprise and the Bs were told to put it in or no show.
 
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William Murderface said:
According to Branagh and Braga (or however you spell their names), the Temporal Cold War wasn't their idea. UPN demanded time travel as part of Enterprise and the Bs were told to put it in or no show.
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Yeah, leave to empty headed suits chasing a zeitgeist(rather funny that it was time travel at the time) instead of the logical steps of exploration and building relationships with the Andorians, Tellerites and Vulcans, dealing with Klingons and those skulking Romulan fellows over there.
 
Captain Syrup said:
The show also tried to wring drama out of extremely basic starship functions, like, grappling a shuttle. Or, beaming something down. Truly edge-of-your-seat stuff.
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It's a decent idea, but there's only so much you can do before it gets annoying, like calling phasers "phase pistols", or using hull plating instead of shields.
Captain Syrup said:
Trip is your designated everyman. John Billingsley is the only one with any juice. Shran had potential but he was stuck in guest spots. T’Pol is “Seven of Nine at Home,” except the home is on fire. Reed is fascinating, because I think they wanted him to be the new Ensign Kim, except instead of being a plucky rookie, he’s, like, 42.
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It got really cringy when they had him act like Americans after 9/11 with the whole "Gotta hit them back" mentality.

I love how Voyager at least gave an in-universe reason for Seven needing to wear skintight jumpsuits while Enterprise had a logic-oriented Vulcan wearing clothes specifically to show off her tits. I mean, they're nice tits, but no other Vulcan dresses like she does. It's a sign of how much UPN believed sex sells.
Captain Syrup said:
Eventually, the writers realized emulating Voyager was a mistake and tried to steer the ship toward Deep Space Nine. The result was a confused Scott Bakula. He just clenches his teeth like he’s trying to pass a kidney stone.
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Scott Bakula was severely miscast as Archer. The character's supposed to be a strong and commanding man, but Bakula works more as an everyman like in Quantum Leap, Cats Don't Dance, NCIS: New Orleans.
Captain Syrup said:
By this point, the show is flailing so hard it actually explains why Klingons looked different in the '60s. It’s boring and stupid
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This just baffles me. Who cares why the Klingons look different? If humans can have different skin colors, why can't Klingons?
William Murderface said:
According to Branagh and Braga (or however you spell their names), the Temporal Cold War wasn't their idea. UPN demanded time travel as part of Enterprise and the Bs were told to put it in or no show.
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Gee, why did UPN go down in flames so quickly? The top executives just had so many good ideas.
Rykel22 said:
Yeah, leave to empty headed suits chasing a zeitgeist(rather funny that it was time travel at the time) instead of the logical steps of exploration and building relationships with the Andorians, Tellerites and Vulcans, dealing with Klingons and those skulking Romulan fellows over there.
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Bold of you to assume the suits even watched the original Star Trek.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
lots and lots and lots of people actually
I preferred DS9's approach where it's something that happened, but the klingons say they don't talk about it.
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It wasn't even meant to be taken as a literal event. It was a humorous throw away line about why make up effects from 1960s Burbank didn't look like something characters from the 24th century would recognize. Unfortunately, far too many fans don't get that and demanded the joke be explained.
 
William Murderface said:
It wasn't even meant to be taken as a literal event. It was a humorous throw away line about why make up effects from 1960s Burbank didn't look like something characters from the 24th century would recognize. Unfortunately, far too many fans don't get that and demanded the joke be explained.
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iirc there were a few secondary materials that explained it previous to Ent as well because nerds gonna nerd
 
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