Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[GenociderSyo]

Don't forget A Final Unity, that was the best of 'em all!

That was a really good one I still have it in its original huge ass box. Wish it could run on newer systems. It and Amber Journey's Beyond have the issue that they require very old quicktime to run.

If you have found a way to get it to run let me know I'd love to play it again.

 

[Kornula]

On the subject of the nature and character of William Shatner...

 

[Gimmick Account]

Like I said, Shatner's a fucking boomer. (RLM mentioned his later tweets in that video), he was mad at them pretty much entirely because of what other people tweeted to him about RLM on there, after he'd already blocked RLM. His reaction is still entirely bizarre.

People sent him Nerd Crew videos so it's an entirely understandable reaction given that he mistook them for personas intended to be obnoxious retards. He wasn't in on the joke and didn't sit though ostensible garbage long enough to get the joke because he was already irritated which makes perfect sense.

People will say "no really they're cool you just gotta watch more video" about all kinds of awful zoomer trash so it's asking too much to give em the benefit of the doubt once he'd hit his bullshit threshold. He's an old man, he can have a low threshold.

 

[White Devil]

Honestly, I don't blame him for not wanting to sit through rlm garbage.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

I bet we get something with a border wall. Completely tone-deaf to the notion that a Star Trek future is one where people don't need to flee their homelands because they aren't shit holes. Don't run from your problems, solve them yourselves.

It's more than that. Not solve your problems, survive your problems.

"Oh your planet is a shit hole and you're about to die from nuclear warfare? Everyone where you are at are murdering everyone else? Well... sucks to be you, prime directive bitch. If we help weak, immature civilizations survive they'll make a mess out of things at an interstellar scale, civilizations need to live or die on their own"

Data literally mentions letting the weak die in the first season of TNG. Unfortunately part of the shift in TNG to get away from the goofy TOS feel also meant stripping away a lot of the focus on scifi cultures, philosophy, worldviews, in favor of focusing on characters instead. Which... fair's fair that was completely understandable. Rodenberry was great and his vision was great but he was also really weird and so were his ideas. First season TNG has far to much of TOS in it.

But yeah, original federation was very much into the whole 'being kind is not nice'. Among their moral principles they valued a pretty good amount of ruthlessness.

 

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Yeah for 90 he looks and sounds fantastic. He’s also got an incredibly sarcastic sense of humor that the segment producer has no idea how to respond to. I think my favorite reaction is of Jim Carrey’s Kirk.

Spoiler

”His interpretation of me… lacks a certain masculinity.”

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's more than that. Not solve your problems, survive your problems.

"Oh your planet is a shit hole and you're about to die from nuclear warfare? Everyone where you are at are murdering everyone else? Well... sucks to be you, prime directive bitch. If we help weak, immature civilizations survive they'll make a mess out of things at an interstellar scale, civilizations need to live or die on their own"

Data literally mentions letting the weak die in the first season of TNG. Unfortunately part of the shift in TNG to get away from the goofy TOS feel also meant stripping away a lot of the focus on scifi cultures, philosophy, worldviews, in favor of focusing on characters instead. Which... fair's fair that was completely understandable. Rodenberry was great and his vision was great but he was also really weird and so were his ideas. First season TNG has far to much of TOS in it.

But yeah, original federation was very much into the whole 'being kind is not nice'. Among their moral principles they valued a pretty good amount of ruthlessness.

A smarter show could pick up all that and make an interesting political or philosophical point without shitting all over ST as a franchise.

The central conflict of a new show could for instance center around a spacefaring race that's making a mess on an interstellar level cause the young Federation (before the days of the prime directive), thought they could help them by offering them technology to solve their problems. Shit goes pear shaped when that new technology is used to continue the slapfights, but they are now expanded from a global to an interstellar scale, cause said race never learned to not be shitheads and pull their shit together for the greater good.

A decent show could maybe draw inspiration from historical events and their fallout, such as colonisation, the recently lost Afghanistan War, etc.
You could do a lot of interesting things in ST, but new shows never get past ORANGE MAN BAD *vomits profusely*-garbage.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

A smarter show could pick up all that and make an interesting political or philosophical point without shitting all over ST as a franchise.

The central conflict of a new show could for instance center around a spacefaring race that's making a mess on an interstellar level cause the young Federation (before the days of the prime directive), thought they could help them by offering them technology to solve their problems. Shit goes pear shaped when that new technology is used to continue the slapfights, but they are now expanded from a global to an interstellar scale, cause said race never learned to not be shitheads and pull their shit together for the greater good.

Think that was the original idea behind Ferengi. They were supposed to be a younger race who got out into space to early because they didn't develop warp drive on their own, they bought it from someone centuries before their civilization had grown enough. It's why in their first appearance they had a barbarian thematic to them. Dressed in furs, had necklaces with teeth and stuff.

I've thought about both an exploration themed and a diplomacy and politics themed take on Trek. Though at this point I'd rather think of an interesting show inspired by Star Trek than a new star trek show that isn't shit.

 

[Gimmick Account]

Star Trek is supposed to be a vision of the future we can aspire to populated by humans who would see today's stupid problems with the firm compassion you'd show a dumb toddler, not revel in them.
We have half the tech that seemed like magic in TOS already so you'd need to set it in a further future of the Federation with stuff that would amaze the characters in the TNG era as much as transporters amazed the cro-mags who were watching it in the 60s. Then to do it right we'd need to actually send our best, put it in the hands of speculative philosophers and physicists, anthropologists etc who grew up on Trek and don't let the TV writers do more than punch it up a bit.
It'll never happen.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Think that was the original idea behind Ferengi. They were supposed to be a younger race who got out into space to early because they didn't develop warp drive on their own, they bought it from someone centuries before their civilization had grown enough. It's why in their first appearance they had a barbarian thematic to them. Dressed in furs, had necklaces with teeth and stuff.

I've thought about both an exploration themed and a diplomacy and politics themed take on Trek. Though at this point I'd rather think of an interesting show inspired by Star Trek than a new star trek show that isn't shit.

You know, I just had this crazy idea:

Ferengi are money-hungry bastards who bought warp technology from someone. They know they could make dime by selling this technology to other species too, so one way to prevent that is by the Federation paying them not to sell it to primitive species.
So I now imagine Ferengi being the best porspectors and explorers in the Alpha Quadrant, cause finding new species and not selling them Warp technology in exchange for Federation-backed resources is too big an incentive to not do it.

Just imagine, Ferengi exploration vessels that swarm through space in a race against their kin to find new planets and make bank.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

You know, I just had this crazy idea:

Ferengi are money-hungry bastards who bought warp technology from someone. They know they could make dime by selling this technology to other species too, so one way to prevent that is by the Federation paying them not to sell it to primitive species.
So I now imagine Ferengi being the best porspectors and explorers in the Alpha Quadrant, cause finding new species and not selling them Warp technology in exchange for Federation-backed resources is too big an incentive to not do it.

Just imagine, Ferengi exploration vessels that swarm through space in a race against their kin to find new planets and make bank.

Seems like a story where the Federation has to either engage in bidding wars like with the Barzan wormhole or conduct sabotage of Ferengi warp drives to prevent all the tiny wars that would happen because of Ferengi interference. Gay Space Communism indeed.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Seems like a story where the Federation has to either engage in bidding wars like with the Barzan wormhole or conduct sabotage of Ferengi warp drives to prevent all the tiny wars that would happen because of Ferengi interference. Gay Space Communism indeed.

The idea is not that the Ferengi actually go out and sell warpdrives but rather them going around the Alpha Quadrant trying to find new species and then going "Oh Federation, guess who just found another underdeveloped species that he'll totally sell warpdrives to... unleeeeeessss....." while the Federation liaison just rolls eyes and goes "Yeah yeah we get it. Usual sum. Usual bank account."

 

[Captain Syrup]

*Urkel snort* Mom, these aren't "tchotchkes." They're an investment.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The idea is not that the Ferengi actually go out and sell warpdrives but rather them going around the Alpha Quadrant trying to find new species and then going "Oh Federation, guess who just found another underdeveloped species that he'll totally sell warpdrives to... unleeeeeessss....." while the Federation liaison just rolls eyes and goes "Yeah yeah we get it. Usual sum. Usual bank account."

Doesn't seem as conductive to the alien of the week format. Also, the base conflict is the Feds trying to science their way out of bribery like sabotaging the tech they send to the Ferengi or washing their hands of the affair since the Prime directive prevents the Feds from giving technology, not other races. What if the Ferengi were selling warp tech to a race that acts like Betazoids or Deltans? Everyone wants a piece of another Deltan race.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Doesn't seem as conductive to the alien of the week format. Also, the base conflict is the Feds trying to science their way out of bribery like sabotaging the tech they send to the Ferengi or washing their hands of the affair since the Prime directive prevents the Feds from giving technology, not other races. What if the Ferengi were selling warp tech to a race that acts like Betazoids or Deltans? Everyone wants a piece of another Deltan race.

Well, it might not make for a decent episode in the usual format, but I still like the idea.
And from the Ferengi perspective, what could be better than selling something at a big profit? Why, selling nothing and still make a huge profit on it, of course.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Well, it might not make for a decent episode in the usual format, but I still like the idea.
And from the Ferengi perspective, what could be better than selling something at a big profit? Why, selling nothing and still make a huge profit on it, of course.

I think the most likely end result of that is every major power turning against the Ferengi and possible declaring war to them.

Imagine if the European Union decided to sell nuclear weapon technology to any third world or middle eastern country that wanted one unless the US paid them money not to. People would be upset.

It could still be fun as an episode though. Maybe not the entire Ferengi Alliance doing it, but just some individual Ferengi deciding to do it for whatever reason. Diplomatic crisis ensues.

 

[Kornula]

It's more than that. Not solve your problems, survive your problems.

"Oh your planet is a shit hole and you're about to die from nuclear warfare? Everyone where you are at are murdering everyone else? Well... sucks to be you, prime directive bitch. If we help weak, immature civilizations survive they'll make a mess out of things at an interstellar scale, civilizations need to live or die on their own"

Data literally mentions letting the weak die in the first season of TNG. Unfortunately part of the shift in TNG to get away from the goofy TOS feel also meant stripping away a lot of the focus on scifi cultures, philosophy, worldviews, in favor of focusing on characters instead. Which... fair's fair that was completely understandable. Rodenberry was great and his vision was great but he was also really weird and so were his ideas. First season TNG has far to much of TOS in it.

But yeah, original federation was very much into the whole 'being kind is not nice'. Among their moral principles they valued a pretty good amount of ruthlessness.

One tiny aspect of the movie: "Insurrection " was the line F Murray Abrbam pointed out that the federation was falling in on itself..or some such thing. Every system eventually dies out..even the federation

 

[AnOminous]

Imagine if the European Union decided to sell nuclear weapon technology to any third world or middle eastern country that wanted one unless the US paid them money not to. People would be upset.

North Korea already basically does this, tarding out every couple years in return for more gibs just to shut the fuck up.

 

[Captain Syrup]

North Korea already basically does this, tarding out every couple years in return for more gibs just to shut the fuck up.

Provoking them would rain missiles down on the South. After that, the NKs would be a spent force.

The Kims got lucky. Which is unfortunate, but not really applicable to Star Trek.

 

[UnKillFill]

People sent him Nerd Crew videos so it's an entirely understandable reaction given that he mistook them for personas intended to be obnoxious retards. He wasn't in on the joke and didn't sit though ostensible garbage long enough to get the joke because he was already irritated which makes perfect sense.

People will say "no really they're cool you just gotta watch more video" about all kinds of awful zoomer trash so it's asking too much to give em the benefit of the doubt once he'd hit his bullshit threshold. He's an old man, he can have a low threshold.

I've watched the video. By the point where people were sending him "nerd crew" videos, Shatner had already long since blocked RLM because of their (clearly joking) reaction to his stupid boomer petshop boys joke.

Shatner then proceeded to fight a one-sided fight against RLM (which they couldn't respond to because he had already blocked them) strictly because of what other people said to him. I don't even hate the guy, (although I stand by when I said he's clearly a shitty person. He's literally proven that through his public persona over the last 60ish+ years.) Even if you don't like RLM, they clearly weren't the aggressors in that boomer fight.