Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Trill have always been difficult characters to write about.
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In the early seasons Terry Farrell was trying to make Dax seem wise and above it all. But she ends up seeming kinda ditzy and airheaded.

The old AV Club DS9 review comments had a running joke of Jadzia just running DS9's Twitter account all day.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It really isn't until Ezri comes along do they figure out how to nerf Dax in ways that make sense.
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Take Klingon cock, become dumb as a rock.

I do think the situation with Odo and the Dax symbiote was a huge missed opportunity given how strongly the Female Changeling and most other Changelings voiced their disdain for Solids. Making them experience food and fun and sex would have caused some interesting questions for their society. Especially since Trill also have the same sort of generational knowledge transfer as the Changelings. You could have pulled at least a couple episodes from that premise alone and never made more Moogie episodes.
 
Shamash said:
Part of the issue is Trek doesn't explain the mechanics involved-how does Joseph Sisko get the materials and resources for his restaurant? Does he have to pay taxes on his profits? Where does the food come from? Who delivers it, if it's not replicated? How does he pay his staff? Do they do it just because they like waiting tables?
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I can see parents sending their young to "work" as waiters (and similar jobs) to make them gain social skills or do something productive for others.

AmpleApricots said:
My guess is many people just do nothing. A society with that kind of technology can't feasibly supply everyone with jobs. It's already a problem for us, really and will become a bigger and bigger problem in the coming decades. I'd always imagine they have kind of a social system where you can live a perfectly capable middle class life as an unemployed but have to work for additional perks. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense, who'd want to do the shitty jobs?
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The shitty jobs we all have serve a purpose, to help others obtain basic services. If society is now more oriented to serve each other, then it makes sense many understand that someone needs to do these jobs, perhaps not permanently, but because someone has to. I really doubt there aren't kids who are curious about how electricity, mining, or plumbing works, specially with all the new technology they have.

"Family" shows a bit more how life on earth for common people actually is. Robert Picard is a weirdo who's more traditional, but he obviously needs help.
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Mike Stoklasa said:
Here is a nugget to tickle your pickle. In the DS9 episode "Explorers", when Sisko is talking with Jake about leaving home for the first time, he mentions to his son that for the first four days of Starfleet Academy training in California he would transport back home every night so that he wouldn't miss family dinner in Louisiana. Jake then replies: "you must have used a month's worth of transporter credits!"

It ends up having some pretty massive implications for what amounts to a throwaway line.
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Maybe those credits are for the Academy trainees so they won't be leaving school every other day.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Trill have always been difficult characters to write about. They've got all this wealth of knowledge and insight, but don't seem to use it all that much. Dax should, in theory, be OP in every stated skill she had, especially when it comes to historical events. But then, that compounds the basic Star Trek storytelling problem about how OP technology is. It really isn't until Ezri comes along do they figure out how to nerf Dax in ways that make sense.
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It could be very fascinating idea. Like what would it be to have the experience and memories of like... a world famous rock star once upon a time, but your fingers just aren't made for it? You know what it's like to do something but you can't make your body do it.

Or how about the symbiotes? Are they fairly dominant and in control at first? Then settle down as the lifetimes go by? Do they vary in personality? By its age is Dax like "whatever, I'm just along for the ride."

They did do an entire movie around the concept.

(Though I still can't figure out how a joined female Trill would have children. That should have been a cost & examination of something with their society.)
 
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Shamash said:
The Burn has got to be one of the most creatively bankrupt ideas in the last fifty years. It’s basically a not so subtle reboot, allowing them to “make a new federation” without actually having to acknowledge the previous shows in any meaningful way.

Also “federation collapse” was a common fanfiction trope in the nineties and early 2000s, the only difference is the Wokeness.
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What I hate the most about the "Burn" is that after it happened, no one tried to establish contact with the other species that were part of the Federation. Not one scientist tried to create a new type of FTL engine. The entire galaxy just stopped until Burnham arrived.

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And as if O'Brien wasn't overworked enough!
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"The Cardassian occupation might have been a bad thing but at least the Terok Nor monorail always arrived on time" - Quark
 
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Captain Autism69 said:
How? Why? Who is watching this trash? It *has* to be making money to be considered worth renewing right?
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maybe it has enough name recognition being star trek that it gets by. there are plenty of people who will stick by a brand they know even when they dont really like the current product. look at the people who will complain about how bad the simpsons is but still watch all the new episodes simply because it is the simpsons. i suspect this is going on with STD.

another possibility could be that they dont get the viewers they need but they still make money through merchandising/licensing and feel that they need a current show to keep the name out there so that the merchandise is still as profitable. after all if spaceballs taught us anything it is that the real money to be made is in the merchandising.

 
amateur professional lurk said:
confession, i skiped this episode about half way through. i honestly dont find the trill all that interesting.
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Terry wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire with her talent.

The two best Trill episodes, for my money, are "Prodigal Daughter" and "Field of Fire." Nicole has more range than Terry. Also, the audience is present for her joining with Dax. So she can do more interesting things in that area.
Captain Autism69 said:
How? Why? Who is watching this trash? It *has* to be making money to be considered worth renewing right?
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You think Nu Trek is all some kind of Producers-style plot, foiled at every turn by hardcore weirdos who will buy anything?
 
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Deep Space Nine, season three, episode 26, Adversary

Good episode. It is a season finale so it should be good. You have some of the creepy space monster stuff in the jeffries tubes with O'brien, Eddington gets more screen time, the Dominion asserts itself as a very real and aggressive threat and oh yeah, Sisko finally becomes a Starfleet Captain!! The Defiant "red scare" plot is really fun and watching the crew wrangle the idea of a hostile changeling on board is entertaining. The ruse and sabotage set up by the Dominion to trick Starfleet into starting a war shows how the Founders operate and their understanding and utilization of their unique abilities. Later on in the episode, the blood test is used to detect Changelings and also immediately subverted by the Changelings in a logical fashion that many viewers were probably thinking about as they watched. In the end, our man Bashir starts his journey of being stuffed into lockers and replaced by Changelings; though he isn't entirely replaced until much later in the series which I'll talk about when that happens. Also Odo fucking mercs a Changeling which sets a series of events into motion that ends nonsensically and in spectacularly odd fashion.

Overall good episode. My only real complaint is that the crew should have conducted the final two blood tests after Eddington's fake test result. It would have made sense because, well... Changeling. Duh. And the final message from the dying Changeling to end season three was a nice touch. A good way to establish the Dominion threat as the real concern as opposed to the Maquis; though the show's pacing smartly (in my opinion) keeps it all close to the vest and still plays the Maquis arc out to a reasonably satisfying result over the next two seasons.

Next week: Michael Dorn joins the crew!!
 
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