Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

I just watched Undiscovered Country. Man its so good to watch decent trek. It has that Sherlock like investigation, the fun climax battle with Kang who is quoting Shakespeare and chewing scenery and finally it still manages to have deeper thematics about trust, and change.

God, I miss decent trek. When the fuck is the Orville back? That's at least the closet we will get.

But, why are the stakes so low? Neither Earth nor Qo'nos are under threat of destruction. And everyone is so emotionless! Like when Spock and McCoy are modifying the torpeado: No one is yelling or even throwing a single quip!
Oh, and why the ever-loving-FUCK did McCoy and Kirk not try to free all the prisoners on Rura Penthe!? Typical old White men, they don't care about anyone else but themselves. Speaking of old White men, why is Uhura not running the ship? A strong female POC would scare the Klingons into seeking peace.

 

[Miller]

The third episode of Picard season 2 was really bad.

I like how the big brain writers thought that nobody near Château Picard would hear or feel like something fell from the sky, even at night.
The rest of the episode was bad too, from the random mugger in San Francisco being white, to the cliché ICE agents (surprisingly they didn't have a southern accent).

I finally found a way to make Councillor Troi tolerable.
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[Oats12345]

I like how the big brain writers thought that nobody near Château Picard would hear or feel like something fell from the sky, even at night.
The rest of the episode was bad too, from the random mugger in San Francisco being white, to the cliché ICE agents (surprisingly they didn't have a southern accent).


>no ball gag

How dare you assume Muggers can be black.

But in all serous why does Hollywood have to destroy everything I love

 

[HarryHowler]

But, why are the stakes so low? Neither Earth nor Qo'nos are under threat of destruction.

They kind of are; it's mentioned that Qo'nos will be uninhabitable within 50 years thanks to its moon blowing up, and that if that happens, it'll probably lead to a war between the Klingons and Federation, with very bad consequences for both sides. The Cold War parallel would also have been way more obvious to people who watched it on its first release.

It's not that you can't have a Star Trek story with high stakes - The Motion Picture has Earth in danger of being sterilized by V'Ger, II and III have crazy guys out to take control of something with the potential to destroy planets, and even IV is driven by the whale probe potentially killing all life on Earth by accident. It's just that the current batch of writers don't seem to understand that you need more than just the threat of The End Of Life As We Know It to carry a story.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I finally found a way to make Councillor Troi tolerable.
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[Emperor Julian]

That reminds me of one of the more optimistic aspects of star trek, the fact people still look normal (if healthy). You know if our society had the tech we'd all be absurdly good looking and/or take body mod trends to extremes

 

[Captain Syrup]

That reminds me of one of the more optimistic aspects of star trek, the fact people still look healthy

In an early episode of TNG, Crusher reacts with utter shock when Picard experiences a headache. And God, I want to visit that future for a day.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Tbf, Yar getting actual backstory or characterization wasn't a thing, full stop. All that we ever really found out about her was that she came from a really shitty world and that she was implicitly a former addict - and even the latter was the completely accidental result of the showrunner deciding to use her as the mouthpiece for an anti-drug speech.

Torres OTOH did seem to have a major chip on her shoulder about her crappy childhood, but at least that ended up being one of the rare occasions a Voyager character underwent legitimate development, by having her gradually get past it and grow the hell up.

Even without characterization, people said Tasha was a capable officer and a good person. Her past was something she left behind because that's something Starfleet officers are demanded to do: we tolerate your strange customs, but leave your personal traumas at the door. That's a common theme among characters who have any personal conflict: Worf, Seven, O'Brian, Data. In their time, personal responsibility seems to be the norm, so I guess Jordan Peterson became president of Earth at some point.

Tasha's background is perhaps better explored with Ro: Ro's a former refugee who's had a similar traumatic childhood, but despite all her misdeeds, she is a good person who wants to be and do good. And once the main conflict of her debut episode is solved, you can see she's moved forward and don't blame things she can't control (but rather tries to control them). She doesn't look at Picard and say "well, fuck you, old white man; you can't judge me because I was seeing my father being tortured while you lived in your fancy vineyard!"

They kind of are; it's mentioned that Qo'nos will be uninhabitable within 50 years thanks to its moon blowing up, and that if that happens, it'll probably lead to a war between the Klingons and Federation, with very bad consequences for both sides. The Cold War parallel would also have been way more obvious to people who watched it on its first release.

I think @ForgottenUserName was being ironic, but either way, sometimes plots don't need to make absolute sense when the plot requires some suspense of disbelief. The important issue here is that the end of the Klingon-Federation war is coming, which is not just the end of an era in universe, but also, the end of the era of TOS as we're seeing a more peaceful times with TNG and they have now the borg.

In an early episode of TNG, Crusher reacts with utter shock when Picard experiences a headache. And God, I want to live in that future for a day.

They do have headaches, what they don't have is chronic pain or migraine and yes, I wanna live there too.

 

[khaine]

As much as I love wraith of khan, it kind of proves how horrible feminists are. David is a miserable cunt who hates everyone 'Star Trek' because of his mother. She didn't want Kirk involved in his life incase he actually wanted to follow his father into space. Honestly everyone is glad he gets killed off in Star Trek 3. our only wish is that carol also gets killed off for being a misandrist cunt.

 

[White Devil]

As much as I love wraith of khan, it kind of proves how horrible feminists are. David is a miserable cunt who hates everyone 'Star Trek' because of his mother. She didn't want Kirk involved in his life incase he actually wanted to follow his father into space. Honestly everyone is glad he gets killed off in Star Trek 3. our only wish is that carol also gets killed off for being a misandrist cunt.

Actually, I wish they didn't kill him off. I'd have liked to see Kirk & Son Adventures. Not that it would have mattered because iirc David's actor died of AIDs.

 

[Screamer]

The rest of the episode was bad too, from the random mugger in San Francisco being white, to the cliché ICE agents (surprisingly they didn't have a southern accent).

It's funny how in everything these days muggers have to be white.

I am just amused that this show is set in Biden's America. It is set in a state completely controlled by Democrats.

I'm sure they'll pivot to some Trump thing, but it is an interesting own goal.

 

[Miller]

It's funny how in everything these days muggers have to be white.

I am just amused that this show is set in Biden's America. It is set in a state completely controlled by Democrats.

I'm sure they'll pivot to some Trump thing, but it is an interesting own goal.

What I hate the most about the writing and casting decisions (in Kurtzman Trek) is that they're propagandists, they're following the guidelines established by Roddenberry's son (the Roddenberry Foundation had several pages on their website, but I've lost the url, I know Nerdrotic talked about it years ago). It's all DIE bullshit, they prefer to check the boxes instead of creating a humanist utopia.

 

[Preferred Penne]

But, why are the stakes so low? Neither Earth nor Qo'nos are under threat of destruction. And everyone is so emotionless! Like when Spock and McCoy are modifying the torpeado: No one is yelling or even throwing a single quip!

I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I'd give real money if he'd shut up.

I've got a heartbeat!

 

[Ishtar]

Torres OTOH did seem to have a major chip on her shoulder about her crappy childhood, but at least that ended up being one of the rare occasions a Voyager character underwent legitimate development, by having her gradually get past it and grow the hell up.

Torres unironically is an unintentional reminder of why being mixed race is often a miserable thing.

Her dad and mother split, she at one point completely wants her Klingon heritage erased, goes through a near death experience where she ends up in Klingon Hell, out of guilt and shame.

Relentless anger issues, largely caused by an absentee father and an overbearing mother.

Her boyfriend/husband has to put up with her shit for years, when he's handsome and charming enough to pursue pretty much anyone else but the captain or seven of nine.

Torres would never be made today, as she has so many issues and unlikable characteristics that are present in RL women, mixed race and otherwise. Massive chip on her shoulder, her technical acumen doesn't also come with any sense of decorum or not being a total bitch, and raging resentments against her parents, especially her father.

 

[L50LasPak]

As much as I love wraith of khan, it kind of proves how horrible feminists are. David is a miserable cunt who hates everyone 'Star Trek' because of his mother. She didn't want Kirk involved in his life incase he actually wanted to follow his father into space. Honestly everyone is glad he gets killed off in Star Trek 3. our only wish is that carol also gets killed off for being a misandrist cunt.

I don't think that was the point of the character at all. For one thing, I don't remember David showing any hostility towards anyone except for Kirk, who he thought had literally betrayed them because of the lies Chekov told them while Reliant was on the way to the station. He acts petulant after that, to some extent, but that's about it.

Carol's reasons for keeping Kirk out of her son's life seem more like over-protectiveness than anything else. Whether or not that was a good idea is certainly debatable, and its clear David grew up to be a dweeby nerd as a result of being so sheltered, but I really don't think the reason that happened is muh feminism.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Torres unironically is an unintentional reminder of why being mixed race is often a miserable thing.

Her dad and mother split, she at one point completely wants her Klingon heritage erased, goes through a near death experience where she ends up in Klingon Hell, out of guilt and shame.

Relentless anger issues, largely caused by an absentee father and an overbearing mother.

Her boyfriend/husband has to put up with her shit for years, when he's handsome and charming enough to pursue pretty much anyone else but the captain or seven of nine.

Torres would never be made today, as she has so many issues and unlikable characteristics that are present in RL women, mixed race and otherwise. Massive chip on her shoulder, her technical acumen doesn't also come with any sense of decorum or not being a total bitch, and raging resentments against her parents, especially her father.

Or she’d be the same character from the beginning all the way through, because shes #girlboss and it’s everyone else who should change, not her.

 

[XYZpdq]

Torres unironically is an unintentional reminder of why being mixed race is often a miserable thing.

Her dad and mother split, she at one point completely wants her Klingon heritage erased, goes through a near death experience where she ends up in Klingon Hell, out of guilt and shame.

Relentless anger issues, largely caused by an absentee father and an overbearing mother.

Her boyfriend/husband has to put up with her shit for years, when he's handsome and charming enough to pursue pretty much anyone else but the captain or seven of nine.

Torres would never be made today, as she has so many issues and unlikable characteristics that are present in RL women, mixed race and otherwise. Massive chip on her shoulder, her technical acumen doesn't also come with any sense of decorum or not being a total bitch, and raging resentments against her parents, especially her father.

I still love and will beat into the fucking ground the joke of "lol half-klingot half-hispanic so the kling part helps keep her less aggressive"

 

[Preferred Penne]

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[khaine]

I don't think that was the point of the character at all. For one thing, I don't remember David showing any hostility towards anyone except for Kirk, who he thought had literally betrayed them because of the lies Chekov told them while Reliant was on the way to the station. He acts petulant after that, to some extent, but that's about it.

Carol's reasons for keeping Kirk out of her son's life seem more like over-protectiveness than anything else. Whether or not that was a good idea is certainly debatable, and its clear David grew up to be a dweeby nerd as a result of being so sheltered, but I really don't think the reason that happened is muh feminism.

Oh, I agree it wasn't the point of the character, and agree with your assessment of Carol. But that independent woman schtick is absolutely feminist in nature. Additionally, my assessment was made afterwatching the movie while drunk and projecting current day understanding of feminism onto her character, that's how it looks.

To you point David shows antagonism towards Star Fleet from the start. He rants about scientists being a tool of the military prior to even meeting Kirk.