Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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I think if anything about the film comes across differently thanks to modern-day feminism, it would be Spock's getting killed off apparently in favor of Saavik. Somehow I get the feeling that would be received very differently in 2022 to how it was in 1982.
 
Audio sampled from someone making a baby laugh by waggling their fingers and going "blblblblblblblbllblb"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DG7q_dJsRVY
I've noticed ever since 2009 that there has been a trend towards making sound effects in movie and games have less bite. The most annoying of which is plasma and laser weapons making a comical "pewpewpew" noise.

I don't really know how to transliterate the sound effects of something like a photon torpedo or any era of phaser but they each had a very distinct sound effect. Something that at least implied it carries a lot of power, like crackling energy or the weird audio you might get when recording equipment is screwed with by electromagnetic interference. This isn't unique to Star Trek either, Star Wars has the blaster and lightsaber sound effects which, while overused, carry that same distinction of sounding incredibly powerful. Some of them were also recorded in interesting ways, like the blaster sound which was produced by taking steel cable, threading it to high tension and then smashing it with a sledgehammer to produce that kind of metallic whipping sound effect.

This used to be fairly commonplace too. I can think of a lot of fiction with distinct sound effects. The Terminator's plasma weapons, and the machine sounds of the Terminator skeleton moving around. Robocop, Alien and Predator have a few. The old War of the Worlds invented the photon torpedo sound effect, but it also has distinct and powerful sounds for the alien heat rays and their antigravity. And that movie was produced as far back as the 50s. Hell, even Silent Running and The Black Hole, two movies that have been discussed in this thread as being more than a little slow and in Black Hole's case, not terribly good, still had distinct sound effects for their weaponry and technology. Even bad movies get this right, its moviemaking 101.

The fuck happened ten years ago to make people lose so much creativity, to the point where every minor detail down to the sound effects has become boring and indistinct?
 
The 2009 writer's strike. Kurtzman was a scab writer during it and was rewarded.
But like, jesus christ, is Kurtzman really the one telling his staff to use boring sound effects? It defies logic not matter how you look at it. Clearly he's not the only person in Hollywood afflicted with complacent narcissism, its so endemic to the point where even the lowly sound guy has it at this point.
 
But like, jesus christ, is Kurtzman really the one telling his staff to use boring sound effects? It defies logic not matter how you look at it. Clearly he's not the only person in Hollywood afflicted with complacent narcissism, its so endemic to the point where even the lowly sound guy has it at this point.
It wasn't just the writers that were replaced but everyone on down the line. So you have a bunch of talentless scabs hiring other talentless scabs until you have current day Hollywood.
 
Torres unironically is an unintentional reminder of why being mixed race is often a miserable thing.

Her dad and mother split, she at one point completely wants her Klingon heritage erased, goes through a near death experience where she ends up in Klingon Hell, out of guilt and shame.

Relentless anger issues, largely caused by an absentee father and an overbearing mother.

Her boyfriend/husband has to put up with her shit for years, when he's handsome and charming enough to pursue pretty much anyone else but the captain or seven of nine.

Torres would never be made today, as she has so many issues and unlikable characteristics that are present in RL women, mixed race and otherwise. Massive chip on her shoulder, her technical acumen doesn't also come with any sense of decorum or not being a total bitch, and raging resentments against her parents, especially her father.
K'ehyler did it better. Plot drama aside, she seemed to deal well with her background, also human mother and Klingon father. It's fully Klingon Worf who's very fucked.
 
K'ehyler did it better. Plot drama aside, she seemed to deal well with her background, also human mother and Klingon father. It's fully Klingon Worf who's very fucked.
Worf’s problem is he’s just an insufferable tight ass, who has a very idealized notion of what Klingon honor and Klingon society are all about.

Klingons do drink, laugh, have sex, even scheme and plot, Worf seems to think being a Klingon is being a stoic samurai who masters the blade while also mastering himself, never lying or acting out of self interest, and always being a heroic warrior willing to charge into battle gloriously, with courage in his heart and Kahless’ teachings on his lips.

So it creates conflict when his idealized conceptions of what Klingons are run into what they are really like. How he reconciles this with his (very real and laudable) sense of honor, decorum and personal values is really his whole “arc” throughout both TNG and DS9.
 
Worf’s problem is he’s just an insufferable tight ass, who has a very idealized notion of what Klingon honor and Klingon society are all about.

Klingons do drink, laugh, have sex, even scheme and plot, Worf seems to think being a Klingon is being a stoic samurai who masters the blade while also mastering himself, never lying or acting out of self interest, and always being a heroic warrior willing to charge into battle gloriously, with courage in his heart and Kahless’ teachings on his lips.

So it creates conflict when his idealized conceptions of what Klingons are run into what they are really like. How he reconciles this with his (very real and laudable) sense of honor, decorum and personal values is really his whole “arc” throughout both TNG and DS9.
I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that growing up he had to learn to maintain a certain level of self-control and hold himself back or he'd severely injure/kill the other kids/teens.
 
What I hate the most about the writing and casting decisions (in Kurtzman Trek) is that they're propagandists, they're following the guidelines established by Roddenberry's son (the Roddenberry Foundation had several pages on their website, but I've lost the url, I know Nerdrotic talked about it years ago). It's all DIE bullshit, they prefer to check the boxes instead of creating a humanist utopia.

It's in everything now.

I hate that now in a show you can just see and predict DIE. If they mentioned brilliant scientists, you just know they won't be white and you know the chance of their gender being male is below 50%.

I also hate that now, you just assume non, straight white characters are DIE picks. Even if they aren't.

Are Pike and Spock are the only straight white male characters in Discovery who aren't bad people? So I assume they'll try and queer them in some way.
 
It's funny how in everything these days muggers have to be white.
They have been in the past too. Even the notorious Death Wish has that ridiculous rape gang led by a young Jeff Goldblum.
Worf’s problem is he’s just an insufferable tight ass, who has a very idealized notion of what Klingon honor and Klingon society are all about.
He has something of the sense of shame you see in a hapa or other mixed race person, which might be worse with species, especially since humans and Klingons hold different things in higher regard, while holding things the other do in disregard. That and he's also left his people to join a Federation where Klingons are not predominant.

He feels like a traitor on some level so has to adhere to tradition more than he would had he actually grown up fully Klingon.
 
Why do I get the feeling that the writers for nuTrek are on a World of Warcraft mentality? They aren't telling a story. They're selling a game. And not just a game, but every expansion pack where the hero has to stop a world-ending plot.

Also, it seems my theory that the Cardassian-Bajoran-Human president was an attempt at making a Chrisjen Avarsarala character, as it seems they also were borrowing from the Ring Builders in the Expanse novels, right up to harvesting materials across the galaxy to produce a "protective wall" around them.
 
Why do I get the feeling that the writers for nuTrek are on a World of Warcraft mentality? They aren't telling a story. They're selling a game. And not just a game, but every expansion pack where the hero has to stop a world-ending plot.
This pretty much nails it. It's also like current WoW where there's a lot of times where the only justification for how the characters act is that they're actually just stupid because nobody with half a brain would ever do the things they do. Also, they're obsessed with the idea that what they're writing is important. Pretty telling that a lot of TV and movies are basically on the level of the worst stereotypes of video game plots. The only problem is that we're okay with those plots in video games because we know they're facilitating gameplay. You know that it's kinda dumb that the villain has some giant henchman that you've never heard of jump out of nowhere, but I bet he's a pretty fun boss fight so hey, let's do it. Nutrek is basically a cutscene compilation from one of those games.
 
That was the explanation he offered to Jadzia just before he rained on everyone's parade.
The existentialists come across as both so based and yet so dumb at the same time. Their leader stupidly provoking Worf when he was no longer in accord with them.

As for that, jadzia flat out says(paraphrasing) “I’ve known a lot of Klingons, none of them have your particular hang ups or baggage, what’s the deal?”
 
Oh, I agree it wasn't the point of the character, and agree with your assessment of Carol. But that independent woman schtick is absolutely feminist in nature. Additionally, my assessment was made afterwatching the movie while drunk and projecting current day understanding of feminism onto her character, that's how it looks.

To you point David shows antagonism towards Star Fleet from the start. He rants about scientists being a tool of the military prior to even meeting Kirk.
shit parenting has nothing do to with strong independent women, unless you want to imply the message was single mothers make shit parents.
 
Late as shit but... Stacey Abrams, huh. As if it wasn't bad enough being a woman and liking Star Trek (and having more brain cells than the whole writing team), now they crowbar her gargantuan ass into the show? Is there any backstory as to who decided this was a good casting? Or why the fuck they thought they needed a black woman as president of Earth?
 
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