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Never Scored said:
I'm very into TOS. It is my all-time favourite TV show. Is Strange New Worlds worth checking out, or will I just hate myself?
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I'm going to say its very hard to judge on the first episode. Its how a modern Trek probably should have been done in the first place. The characters feel a little deeper, and get time to monologue a bit about themselves and their experiences while the Planet-of-the-week bounces around in the background. So we're not going back to say TNG or DS9 A/B plots in so far every "b" part will likely be a further development of a character than a situation on the ship. Also tears where appropriate this time instead of ten minutes per episode.

There's a lot of minor callbacks which apparently "get a bit much" to some reviewers tastes up to episode 5 but so far seem like nice nods.

None of the "recast" characters who appear in later TOS episodes seem to violate their puddle-deep characters from the 60s and instead are the kind of "respectful enhancement" 60 years of societal development tends to show and call for, with M'Benga and Chapel getting enhanced and more suitable backstories than "NEGRO AFRICAN DOCTOR" and "Roddenberry's fucking her, so she's here". Other characters make decent callbacks to other series like Enterprise with the chief engineer being an Aenar.

If you really want to piss, moan and gripe, Admiral April has been recast but seeing as he was in one episode of TAS voiced by a mostly drunk, slurring Doohan versus the pretty solid Adrian Holmes who has a semi-permenant "I'm a year from retirement and I have to run interference for you fucks." face... I think you could be happy with such a casting.

The moralising is a little on the nose, but at least ties itself properly into the known Trek Cannon and is definitely the most amusing relic from TOS with some modern, and then CGI visuals thrown in.

Overall, give it a go.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Pathologic, Silent Hill, and Mass Effect are all video games. Don't you dare besmirch video game writing by comparing it to this crap.
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I will absolutely besmirch Mass Effect. The first game was a great window into an interesting science fiction universe, Some great ideas executed poorly but a great start to an interesting franchise. And than ME2 came out and the whole game was pop sci fi for hipsters with very little thought put into it beyond setting up and justifying set pieces even if it broke established lore. Just like NuTrek. And don't get me started on ME3 or Abortiondromeda.
 
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I always liked Bashir even early on because it seemed to clear to me that he was intended to be an almost archetypical out-of-touch physician/ivory tower academic type who had coasted by in upper circles on his smarts and charm but when thrown into the situation on the station, was challenged by virtually every one he came in contact with because this shit ain't San Francisco yo.

It's why him and O'Brien were best buds and worked so well together as they were polar opposites in terms of philosophies and methods. Didn't hurt that both actors were and are top-notch and just nailed their characters every time. My only criticism is that the rug-pull about him being a genetically-engineered superman felt silly and kind of jarring when you think about previous situations he went through and even later ones too.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
I wanted to like SGU but it wouldn't let me. The chronic unprofessionalism, the grimy feeling I got from watching notionally sympathetic characters treat other people's bodies like Real dolls, the way that the premise removed so much agency from the characters they had nothing to do but deal with problems of the week and have psychodrama, all wrapped up in a Stargate package that was so off-brand that it felt like I'd tuned into an episode of The A-Team and instead of action I'd gotten an episode about the finer points of dairy farming a la Silver Spoon.
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That's a valid criticism but I think it just comes with the territory. They explored a lot of the weirder ideas in the series and it worked very well for the time travel, AI, and other sci-fi stuff. It didn't work as well with some of the character drama aspects and I think some things cheapened the show like being able to use the communication stones as it diminished the isolation aspects of the show. I can also see why people wouldn't like it, because SG1 and SGA were very similar to the original movie, whereas SGU took a vastly different approach and I liked as I found SGA too similar to SGU, and I didn't like when the aliens in SGU ended up being similar to those in SG1, in that they arrive in a place, meet a new species, new species is hostile, and then they fight.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
I enjoyed that first episode too much. Why did I have to suffer five years of Discovery to get muh star trek back?
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More like 21 years, but ok.

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Phalanges Mycologist said:
The two best Bromances in Trek are in DS9 Bashir and OBrian, and Bashir and Garrak.
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I actually lost a ton of respect for Ira Steven Behr when he started claiming Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay but UPN wouldn't let him do it. 1, because that's clearly a bullshit fan theory invented by fujoshits, and 2, it takes away from one of the best friendships in the series.

Side note: it's interesting how Bashir eventually became a bromance vehicle once the writers realized making his sole personality trait simping over Jadzia wasn't really doing much to make the character popular.
 
White Devil said:
Why is the Enterprise in atmosphere?
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It's the Rogue One Star Destroyer thing all over again.
Once more a ship not meant to travel through the atmosphere is shown travelling through the atmosphere, cause it look cool.

In any other show, it wouldn't even be such a big deal tbh, after all, cause it does look cool. But it serves a (presumably turning out to be) lackluster show, that'll (presumably) shit all over established canon, so people are weary as fuck.
White Devil said:
NuTrek and physics don't mix I guess.
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Who needs science in sci-fi, I guess. Remember how Discovery had red lights turning on all across the galaxy and they showed up on the screen instantly? Kiwiridge Farms remembers.
YankeeTrader said:
It's a bait and switch. By episode 3 they'll revert to type and it'll be properly shit
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Most reviews by so called """professional""" """""critics""""" of shows only go by the first 3 or maybe 4 episodes, so that has been the shtick with nuTrek from the beginning, make a couple episodes for the first half of the season that give the impression of groundbreaking, mind-blowing adventures, never have a pay-off or anything to make any of that mystery box bullshit tie into one another until the very end, when you combine all loose plot-threads with a shitton of asspulls.

Now, they literally do the bait and switch, so they get a "it's more 'classic' in its approach" badge before it's all about troon lesbians sucking each other's dicks while having the evil orange-faced Despot of Mar-A-Lago-5 on screen.
Flexo said:
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Wut?

But they can go throughout all of space and time...
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"So... all Q have knowledge of space and time, right?"
-"Yes of course, mon capitan."
"And all your concious knowledges of the future end at the same time, without anyone having any knowledge of a point after that?"
-"As it turns out... yes."
"Why do you guys figure it out now?"
-"We never really talked about it."
"..."
-"Don't give me that look, we all just figured it was an individual thing... see, I for one thought I'd just be having one hell of a hangover!"
*Mariachi-Band materializes and Q starts playing the trumpet*


All joking aside, there is one really super simply way to resolve this and still keep in tune with Q. I imagine a dialogue like this:
Q: "As it turns out, we Q are mortal and will end soon."
Picard: "And you figure that out now?"
Q: "Well, you see, it will happen in a time when nothing much is going on, so we didn't dwell on it in the past, but now that we realized it, we're uneasy about this situation."
Picard: "So, when will it happen?"
Q: "From our perspective, distressingly soon. From your perspective, around the time when 74% of all white dwarves have transmutated into pure iron."
Data: "Captain, according to the Flumflamgranoflexic Theorem, that will be the case in about ten-to-the-power-of-60 years, give or take 10%"
Q: "You see? This catastrophe will claim us Q in the flower of our youth!"

Tell me Q saying he'll die soon and be a melodramatic dipshit about it for an episode before revealing that it'll be a gorillion times the age of the universe before it happens is not totally something Q would do.
 
Absolutego said:
I actually lost a ton of respect for Ira Steven Behr when he started claiming Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay but UPN wouldn't let him do it. 1, because that's clearly a bullshit fan theory invented by fujoshits, and 2, it takes away from one of the best friendships in the series.
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I've always thought that fan theiory was stupid, but I've always thought that if Garrack thought it was for the best for Cardasia he would take it up the pooper or go to brown town if needed, but he and Bashir was always a very friendly relationship and nothing more just one based on a mutual affection for one another nothing more.

As far as I am aware the only Gay relationship ever knocked back or even proposed pre new trek was supposedly 7 and Janeway but the Studio didn't like it, the idea didn't test well with non hardcore fans and the Actresses hated each other to the point Jerry Ryan said she would walk off set and never come back just of normal interaction let alone a romance arc.
 
Absolutego said:
I actually lost a ton of respect for Ira Steven Behr when he started claiming Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay, it takes away from one of the best friendships in the series.
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I mean, do you believe J.K. when she says Dumbledore is gay?

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Seduction training is totally a thing in CIA schools. Think of it as selling his body out of love for Cardassia.

At least that's what I got out of it. My read is that Garak wasn't employed by the Cardassian government as a spy. The purpose of his work is try to rehabilitate his image in hopes of ending his exile. He tried passing information on to Cardassia and no one cared.

After that, it got complicated. Garak started to have a nervous breakdown and needed someone to confide in.
 
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JamesFargo said:
I mean, do you believe J.K. when she says Dumbledore is gay?
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Of course I don't. Literally everyone made fun of her for obviously retconning her story to make it more progressive as Pottermore got more popular. Behr is doing the same thing.
 
These stupid people are saying a mostly peaceful protest is the cause of the 2nd Civil War and not the Summer of Love where cities in states burned down!!! Let's not forget them adding in another Eugenics War on top because they couldn't be assed to look up any frakin dates on the timeline.
 
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