Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Hot Dog said:
I thought the jury was out on if Q gave the Federation an early warning by introducing the Borg to them or if he made the Borg aware that the Federation was out there and there was a huge section of space waiting to be assimilated. If that introduction never occured humanity probably would have been done for, and at the beginning of the episode Picard was arrogant but was humbled by the end. Probably a bit of both. Q as a character seems to work well when he has both wimsy and menace to his presence,
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It's really hard to tell without knowing more of the Q, but imo, they seem to favor humans and also protect them. As much as Q is a mischievous rogue, he seems to follow the line when he's dealing with humanity and we know all of his power can't save him from the Q punish him if he steps out of that line.

We don't know either how much the Q "know" about the future and how much of the future is written or if they know the future can be changed. What he did with Picard and the reset of his life could have been only an illusion or a dream he got while being on surgery (caused by Q, of course). If the Q know that humanity is set to evolve to equal the Q as well, then the Borg menace was that one thing that was going to stop humanity and destroy it in the upcoming one or two decades before reaching that goal. Were the Q helping humans or simply helping that timeline to develop naturally?

Q seemed to imply that humanity had become arrogant. Becoming arrogant means that you get stuck being what you are at the moment and feel you don't need to move forward, which seems to be what humanity was doing. Maybe he needed to kick humans back to move forward and the borgs were the closest thing they could have thought for it.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
It's really hard to tell without knowing more of the Q, but imo, they seem to favor humans and also protect them. As much as Q is a mischievous rogue, he seems to follow the line when he's dealing with humanity and we know all of his power can't save him from the Q punish him if he steps out of that line.

We don't know either how much the Q "know" about the future and how much of the future is written or if they know the future can be changed. What he did with Picard and the reset of his life could have been only an illusion or a dream he got while being on surgery (caused by Q, of course). If the Q know that humanity is set to evolve to equal the Q as well, then the Borg menace was that one thing that was going to stop humanity and destroy it in the upcoming one or two decades before reaching that goal. Were the Q helping humans or simply helping that timeline to develop naturally?

Q seemed to imply that humanity had become arrogant. Becoming arrogant means that you get stuck being what you are at the moment and feel you don't need to move forward, which seems to be what humanity was doing. Maybe he needed to kick humans back to move forward and the borgs were the closest thing they could have thought for it.
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We don't really get much information about the continuium but 'our' Q is supposed to be kind of a maverick among them and is constantly getting shit for advocating for humanity and doing his own thing in his own way. He clearly gives a shit as time moves on and there is enough nuance to both his lessons and performance (both de Lance and Q are putting on acts, which is a testament to de Lance's ability and range) that clearly points him as a benefactor as much as he dismisses it or points to being on assignment or whatever.

Change and danger force growth and Q sometimes strikes me as a parent figure, helping their child along by challenging them.

When written right, Q is a fantastic character and one of the best in the entire franchise. Which is why I'll never want to see him again other than in old TNG episodes.
 
Flexo said:
The later revelation that Sisko is a literal demigod adds new layers to that moment.

Like now you can fan-edit into the subtext that Q felt more of Sisko's punch than he thought he should have and it clued him into the fact there was more than there seemed to this human. The Q and the Prophets probably have some non-compete treaties between them so Q decided it wasn't worth the possibility of riling them up and left their little child alone.
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I headcanon it along with Q looking concerned at Guinan's space kung fu stance that Q isn't really as omnipotent as he claims, and once somebody's got ties to realms beyond basic space/time he can't read them, and he has a glass jaw because he's used to just knowing any attempt to hit him so he rarely takes a punch.
 
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Phalanges Mycologist said:
I've never thought about that before, where is it from? or was it just made up for the production.

Also it's interesting that they put a Japanese crewman on the bridge in a important roll there was still a fair bit of anti-japanese sentiment post war when trek was first created. Let alone a Russian where there was more active and growing negative sentiment and Uhura a black woman as a senior station cheif - 60's Trek did diversity better than modern trek at a time when it was hard to do and you didn't even think about it because the characters where people not just token inserts with all the dimensionality of a bit of used toilet paper - sorry the thought just occurred to me.
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Putting Sulu, Chekov and Uhura on the bridge was a bold move. It's like putting a dude in a MAGA hat on the bridge of a contemporary show and have him be a respected, capable main character, that gets shit done, to show that humanity can move beyond our contemporary political divide.

Chances are, we might get a guy in a MAGA hat in Star Trek at some point, but he'd be an irredeemable shitstain that cackles maniacly as he pushes the button to vaporize a shuttle full of refugees.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Chances are, we might get a guy in a MAGA hat in Star Trek at some point, but he'd be an irredeemable shitstain that cackles maniacly as he pushes the button to vaporize a shuttle full of refugees.
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Disco Season 1 Klingons where exactly that, the writers specifficaly said the Klingons in nu trek (disco) are supposed to represent MAGA especially in season 1.
 
Q wasn’t even in the second season all that much despite him being the big hook that was meant to get people interested in seeing more Picard.

Can’t wait to see who they decide to pointlessly kill off next! Too bad it won’t be any of the characters people WANT to die…
 
That wasn't Q in Picard season 2, it was his retarded brother 'R'. It all makes sense when you realize that was always the case.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Q wasn’t even in the second season all that much despite him being the big hook that was meant to get people interested in seeing more Picard.

Can’t wait to see who they decide to pointlessly kill off next! Too bad it won’t be any of the characters people WANT to die…
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at this point kill them all off in the first episode, including the old crew, then replace picard with poop from the emoji movie.
 
Phalanges Mycologist said:
Episode 3 was interesting, it was part TOS Trek plot and a bit Recycled TNG plot - That Mubenga thing I could believe but I don't like what they did with Number 1.

They had a litteral Khan on the ship a result of genetic engineering they could have used to do that.
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I like Number 1, she's my favorite character so far. I just got bored watching that episode. Wanted to turn it off.
 
Phalanges Mycologist said:
Episode 3 was interesting, it was part TOS Trek plot and a bit Recycled TNG plot - That Mubenga thing I could believe but I don't like what they did with Number 1.

They had a litteral Khan on the ship a result of genetic engineering they could have used to do that.
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I actually thought that was the way they were going to go with it in Episode 1, so I find it much more interesting in that she's a Noonian-Singh not so they can have bad ass action woman, but to have a conflict with the character that is the product of genetic manipulation.
 
Meriasek said:
I guess finding a system to use isn't much of a problem, just finding people. A few friends would be into PnP in general, but not so much Star Trek themed, and finding the time is never really easy.
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Yea it sucks finding a group into what you want to play and when you want to play it, Most of my friends are not into table top or PnP (or not any more) so I don't even bother.

I wanted to play a game of the Fallout (classic era) PnP game a few years back I had a few people willing to play got everything set up and then Covid happened and two of the people now have kids so getting free time to do anything for them is hard.
 
Phalanges Mycologist said:
Yea it sucks finding a group into what you want to play and when you want to play it, Most of my friends are not into table top or PnP (or not any more) so I don't even bother.

I wanted to play a game of the Fallout (classic era) PnP game a few years back I had a few people willing to play got everything set up and then Covid happened and two of the people now have kids so getting free time to do anything for them is hard.
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Man, classic Fallout PnP is another thing I'd love to do, being a huge Fallout fan who has been severely disappointed by the direction the series took with Bethesda.
 
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