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VOY seriously needed to rethink this hero/nemesis relationship, because it has never been exactly riveting. Should have just kept Seska.
Admittedly she didn't do the best job in the role, but deposing Thompson and bringing back Alice Krige was a real kick in the teeth.
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The only one I like left on the show is M'Benga. He reminds me of my granddad, same accent, love for fishing, chill at all times. So they will probably kill him off next episode. We can't have anything nice!
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He's in TOS so he's got plot-armour. Only one that doesn't is sassy helm-dyke I think.
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Oh no. It would be a real shame if something happened to her.
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As a POC, does Kurtzman Trek make you feel empowered? Do you cry every time you see Mikey Spock because your people FINALLY don't have to sit in the back of the runabout? One more question, should the USS Discovery be renamed to the USS George Floyd?
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Nope. Not a "darkie" as my grandfather would say. Some sort of carribean indian. Dude was the shit.
Yea. No. Fuck that. None of that intersectional bullshit. I didn't even get through the first episode of Discovery.
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I wonder if they've tried to get Naomi (Scarlett Pomers) on one of the new shows? She's a total hottie, though she doesn't really act anymore, so maybe they asked? I'd at least be interested in an interview with her on the VOY doc or something.
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The saddest part of Enterprise are Jolene Blalock's breast implants. They aren't supposed to look in two different directions like that.
Would still put penis between them.
Would still put penis between them.
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Sir, this is a Waldenbooks.
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It's crazy how T'Pol is almost hot but looks ugly next to Seven and Dax.
The problem with T'Pol's body is that it's almost postmodern. She hides/surgically removed all of her human qualities so your eyes have nowhere to land. Uncanny valley covers it well.
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Watched some early DS9
My gosh what a trip.
Everything from the way its shot to the plots is so so removed from what the series is remembered for.
Do you remember the episode where everyone becomes aphasic? Or do you remember the Bajoran mob trying to kill Odo, or the convoluted plot of some Bajoran dude killing his clone? Or Kai Winn orchestrating an attempted assassination of Bareil? Me neither.
Also good heavens-are the characters hostile to each other, Odo and Sisko nearly come to blows, Kira is openly insubordinate, and Terry farrell's acting is something to behold...in how terrible it is. Bashir's attempt to get in Dax's pants is so sad, like fat neckbeards have come across as less desperate.
Sisko tells Bashir at one point over dinner-he's totally free to pursue Dax, weird. Were they planned to get together?
Also the episode with Garak-I sort of get the homoerotic overtones? Its just Garak being super pushy and aggressive, was unpleasant to watch.
Q is a secondary character in his own DS9 episode-it's basically Vash leaves because...uh Q is precocious? She's apparently a thief with a side of genuine academic. Q harasses Picard and annoys the senior staff, was there some tension between the writers? The Voyager Q episodes are better-all of them than Q-less.
I swear-Rene Auberjonois' voice doesn't sound distinct-in one scene it legit sounded like another actor.
Rom is just another greedy ferengi.
Also wow Sisko tells Jake "Don't associate with the Ferengi kid"-which is just so hilarious given it's the same episode where Sisko dissuades a mob, the open prejudice expressed against Ferengi is just...jarring. I mean they deserve it and all-,but I thought Trek was supposed to be liberal and accepting? The explicit "ferengi are corrupting and amoral, and I would never let my child hang out with one" just stands out by its sheer difference.
Also Winn orders an assassination, this is somehow forgotten. Despite Kira pretty much immediately knowing it was her from the get-go. The school bombing-also nineties creationism/science debate was just in your face. Winn orchestrates the plot of the entire episode to kill Bareil. Somehow everyone forgets this (it is acknowledged they will never be able to prove it-but still).
Duras' sisters show up, and some Bajoran terrorist tries to blow up the wormhole-thereby rendering Bajor a backwater again. (I did remember this). Still astoundingly stupid and makes me despise the Bajorans even more.
Also O'Brien is abused, he's constantly working in Babel-and when everything returns to normal, Sisko yells at him because his coffee was wrong-is the audience supposed to laugh at this?
My gosh what a trip.
Everything from the way its shot to the plots is so so removed from what the series is remembered for.
Do you remember the episode where everyone becomes aphasic? Or do you remember the Bajoran mob trying to kill Odo, or the convoluted plot of some Bajoran dude killing his clone? Or Kai Winn orchestrating an attempted assassination of Bareil? Me neither.
Also good heavens-are the characters hostile to each other, Odo and Sisko nearly come to blows, Kira is openly insubordinate, and Terry farrell's acting is something to behold...in how terrible it is. Bashir's attempt to get in Dax's pants is so sad, like fat neckbeards have come across as less desperate.
Sisko tells Bashir at one point over dinner-he's totally free to pursue Dax, weird. Were they planned to get together?
Also the episode with Garak-I sort of get the homoerotic overtones? Its just Garak being super pushy and aggressive, was unpleasant to watch.
Q is a secondary character in his own DS9 episode-it's basically Vash leaves because...uh Q is precocious? She's apparently a thief with a side of genuine academic. Q harasses Picard and annoys the senior staff, was there some tension between the writers? The Voyager Q episodes are better-all of them than Q-less.
I swear-Rene Auberjonois' voice doesn't sound distinct-in one scene it legit sounded like another actor.
Rom is just another greedy ferengi.
Also wow Sisko tells Jake "Don't associate with the Ferengi kid"-which is just so hilarious given it's the same episode where Sisko dissuades a mob, the open prejudice expressed against Ferengi is just...jarring. I mean they deserve it and all-,but I thought Trek was supposed to be liberal and accepting? The explicit "ferengi are corrupting and amoral, and I would never let my child hang out with one" just stands out by its sheer difference.
Also Winn orders an assassination, this is somehow forgotten. Despite Kira pretty much immediately knowing it was her from the get-go. The school bombing-also nineties creationism/science debate was just in your face. Winn orchestrates the plot of the entire episode to kill Bareil. Somehow everyone forgets this (it is acknowledged they will never be able to prove it-but still).
Duras' sisters show up, and some Bajoran terrorist tries to blow up the wormhole-thereby rendering Bajor a backwater again. (I did remember this). Still astoundingly stupid and makes me despise the Bajorans even more.
Also O'Brien is abused, he's constantly working in Babel-and when everything returns to normal, Sisko yells at him because his coffee was wrong-is the audience supposed to laugh at this?
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And all of those characters changed and grew and became more complex over time. Which is why DS9 is the best.
Except O'Brien. Keiko is a cruel mistress. RIP
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One of the things that made the Kai Winn stuff bearable was the fact that she was basically still playing Nurse Ratched
A pity they waited until VOY to get Dourif , it would've been nice to see a Ratched and Billy Bibbit reunion
A pity they waited until VOY to get Dourif , it would've been nice to see a Ratched and Billy Bibbit reunion
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There's a lot of stuff I like and will defend with the "season 8" pitch meeting on the documentary, but the USS "Emmitt Till" is NOT one of them. (Especially it being Nog's ship.)
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That's the Janeway pose, as they called it.
Mulgrew for the first season kept putting her hands on her hips that way, and it for some reason annoyed the hell out of everyone on set. So to get her to stop doing it, they would start mimicking that pose on set. Beltran, Wong, and MacNeill would do it the most, of course.
The writers even wrote a scene to try and get Mulgrew to stop that pose.
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You know I'm starting to think Brooks was right to maintain supremacy in all situations on set.
Shatner grills Mulgrew about dealing all that hormonal stuff, but Brooks just shuts him down with some piano improv.
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So...I assume the Gorn have done their full xenomorph/magog routine on the Klingons/Romulans/whoever else in their neighborhood.
How the fuck were they not absolutely obliterated? The Klingons went on a crusade to drive TRIBBLES extinct, but having a species basically use you as egg incubators? Yeah I'm sure that'd be tolerated.
How the fuck were they not absolutely obliterated? The Klingons went on a crusade to drive TRIBBLES extinct, but having a species basically use you as egg incubators? Yeah I'm sure that'd be tolerated.
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It would be the USS George Floyd now.
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Do they really though? Sisko is more comfortable with the emissary title, Dax is re written after season 3, and Kira becomes somewhat less bitchy. At least she's not as aggressive and belligerent. She still nearly starts a war with the Romulans and throws a fit over Ghemor being a soldier during the occupation (he's dying and its not clear as Odo states if he did anything at all). She softens towards Cardassians over the series, grows to respect and adore Sisko, and is less demeaning to Bashir. But her essential character remains.
Rom is definitely re written-the bullied idiot savant doesn't really happen until season 3. O'Brien remains the everyman.
I'd say only Nog goes through appreciable character growth-the Nog of season 7 and season one are different characters in this way. Everyone else just becomes well...nicer for the most part, less belligerent or immature. Garak is the same guy at the end of the series-just even more jaded.
Odo retains a sense of justice and deep love for his people and for Kira throughout the series.
And so on and so forth.
The crew become more professional, kinks in their relationships are worked out, some characters lose grating or anti social aspects(or at least tone them down) but who they fundamentally are as people mostly remains.