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It's funny, Miles was so close with Julian that he outright said he wished Keiko was more like Julian. And yet nobody obsesses about Miles maybe being a bit gay for Bashir's bussy. Hell, Miles is Julian's best fucking friend, way closer than Julian and Garak, so if anyone should be gay for the guy it's him.
I don't disagree with anything you said here... I can literally see O'Brien singing this song to Julian...:

I just don't believe that Garak is especially gay for Bashir. Sure, Garak probably *would* fuck Bashir if he thought that he'd get something from it... But after the first few episodes of DS9 that clearly isn't their dynamic anymore.
 
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Those servers went down faster than Julian on my isolinear rod.

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Am I the only one that thinks the Prime Directive sucks? I meant it makes sense in a lot of cases like "don't give the primitive barbarians phasers" and shit, but when you see a species who are about to be destroyed through no fault of their own how the fuck do you just ignore your conscience screaming at you?

Even Janeway pointed out in Voyager that it kinda felt shitty to be on the other side of that principal when an advanced alien race refused to share their space folding technology with us.
PD episodes are my favorite because of the variety of ways that it can be handled by the characters and how the situations vary wildly. You have stories of accidental contamination, Sisko purposefully fucking with Cardassians, The Dominion, and the Klingons due to it being wartime, Picard almost letting Wesley be executed to respect a society's rules, and Picard refusing to save a primitive species from annihilation in Season 7. And honestly Picard comes off as a kind of hardass prick about the PD in that episode, not willing to silently transport a few members of a species and relocate them to save them from extinction. People have a moral duty to save sentient beings whenever possible.

My favorite episodes are probably accidental PD episodes, like Picard becoming a god or Pike having to sort out accidently giving warp tech to a species with a human 21st century level of tech, due to the moral questions about whether it's better to try and fix it or leave with minimal damage.

Talking the Prime Directive, I really like the angle The Orville took in the last episode of Season 3. Apparently The Union (the not-Federation) actively spread advanced technology to less advanced species for decades after obtaining FTL travel until it ended badly every single time. I like that The Union had to learn their lesson first hand. Contrast that with Archer upholding the PD before it even existed. If you're a Trek fan and haven't watched The Orville yet, load up some streaming service and watch it. It's well worth the ride.
Theoretically, by the time of TOS onward at least, they should be (and most likely are) able to use the transporters to separate potentially harmful pathogens from the people beaming down if they would be dangerous to the natives.
Strange New Worlds had an episode based on transporters filtering pathogens. Won't spoil it since it ties into one of the ongoing plots in the season, but it's an okay episode. That ongoing plot does make me wonder how many people store themselves or loved ones in transporters Scotty style to buy time against lethal illnesses though.
 
Strange New Worlds had an episode based on transporters filtering pathogens. Won't spoil it since it ties into one of the ongoing plots in the season, but it's an okay episode. That ongoing plot does make me wonder how many people store themselves or loved ones in transporters Scotty style to buy time against lethal illnesses though.
TOS did have a moment where the transporter explicitly had a setting to filter pathogens in The Naked Time, the reason the "disease" got loose in that episode was because it was actually some kind of polywater that the computer couldn't pick up on.
 
Picard almost letting Wesley be executed to respect a society's rules
I like that episode, but I don't like it be a PD episode because it doesn't feel much like it (even though interfereing with their justice is part of it). For starters, they already fucked up when they sent a team down and told their "God" that they were gonna stay there. The Edos didn't have Starfleet technology, but they managed to keep the crew down and unable to beam back. Dunno, I like it, but it feels strange.
 
I like that episode, but I don't like it be a PD episode because it doesn't feel much like it (even though interfereing with their justice is part of it). For starters, they already fucked up when they sent a team down and told their "God" that they were gonna stay there. The Edos didn't have Starfleet technology, but they managed to keep the crew down and unable to beam back. Dunno, I like it, but it feels strange.
How the fuck was even making contact with the Edos not a massive violation of the prime directive?
 
How the fuck was even making contact with the Edos not a massive violation of the prime directive?
It was, but the PD conflict of the episode wasn't because of that. IT was because they were interfering with their laws. The PD was broken when they found the planet and decided to go there and actually meet the Edos. I guess the justification to ignore the PD is that you can be either too tired or too horny (or both) and Risa ain't around.
 
In STD it looks like there's this thing they made up where dilithium crystals become useless in the 4th millennium because of a "psychic" thing where some kid born on a planet made of dilithium has a moment of trauma. Reminds me of Futurama - also set in the 4th millennium - where all the dark matter becomes useless. And there's also that "spore drive" thing in STD.

So I guess "Nu Trek" is as "soft SF" as Futurama now (lol).
 
Rewatching Voyager and all I can say is I really detest the Kazon and can see why the Borg consider them unsuitable for anything but utter extermination.
To be fair, the Kazon were slaves of a more advanced society and just got free. So they are basically savages in space that don’t really have any indigenous technological base or research ability.

I always liked that though about the Borg-the Borg aren’t interested in simply painting the galactic map with their colors, species’ have to have some value to warrant assimilation.
 
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Does not help that most of the Old guard either exclusively handed over the reigns to the faggot alphabet soup crowd (turning most places into reeetardera clones) or just lost interest all together.

Rule of thumb: If they shill Star Trek Online or any kind of mobile gachashit at all, they are a faggot and don't really care about star trek. They are just consoomers.
 
And yet nobody obsesses about Miles maybe being a bit gay for Bashir's bussy. Hell, Miles is Julian's best fucking friend, way closer than Julian and Garak, so if anyone should be gay for the guy it's him.
More proof that the universe just hates Miles? He can't even get himself shipped with Bashir.
 
Theoretically, by the time of TOS onward at least, they should be (and most likely are) able to use the transporters to separate potentially harmful pathogens from the people beaming down if they would be dangerous to the natives.

Enterprise showed us that this can actually work both ways when Archer's stupid dog almost died because of an alien pathogen. (they didn't have reliable transporters yet at this point)
As handwavium? Sure. In reality, there's thousands of beneficial microbes in meatbags which they need to live but in a different environment could be horribly virulent.

But then as I've said elsewhere, in theory there would be entire species of the Federation which could not be with others because of incompatible biological needs. (The Benzites briefly touched on this with their breathing aids.)
 
But then as I've said elsewhere, in theory there would be entire species of the Federation which could not be with others because of incompatible biological needs.
I think it'd be cool if there were more "starfish aliens" in the Federation.

Really alien aliens, not "mere Earthlings" with funny bumps or skin colors other than earth tones.
 
I think it'd be cool if there were more "starfish aliens" in the Federation.

Really alien aliens, not "mere Earthlings" with funny bumps or skin colors other than earth tones.
Yes, but then you don't get the actor's charisma to make the character compelling. There were a lot of aliens like the Crystalline Entity or the baby raviolli suckling on the Enterprise or that time the Enterprise gave birth to some alien, but those creatures are seen as truly alien and not conductive to character-driven stories. Those episodes were plot-driven.
 
I think it'd be cool if there were more "starfish aliens" in the Federation.

Really alien aliens, not "mere Earthlings" with funny bumps or skin colors other than earth tones.
Even if we take the whole "Progenitor species seeded a bunch of planets with their DNA making most life forms humanoid" shit as canon, the fact is that non-humanoid species would still arise. And it's not like they couldn't do creatures like that. 2 guys in a suit, or a guy in a suit with puppeteered parts, could easily play a centaur-style alien.

Fucks sake, you could technically use a bunch of crystals and lights to make an alien. Just say they're a telepathic silicon based lifeform. Have them be a symbiotic species with a far more primitive species on their planet. The other species are dumb as bricks, but the crystal aliens use their telepathy to influence them into doing the various tasks the silicon species cannot.

That could be the core conflict of the episode. The crystalline species is applying for Federation membership and some people have some qualms about it because they think the situation is some form of slavery. So maybe we bring along a Betazoid to help suss out the situation and we find out that while the first generation were technically forced into this symbiosis, subsequent generations willingly undertook the mental influence because they benefitted from it as their crystal buddies pushed them to develop agriculture, architecture, entertainment, and other beneficial technologies.
 
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