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Screamer said:
Anyone else pick up on how much they avoid showing Burnham's body in Discovery now? Same with Tilly but that's harder.

They try and shoot around full body shots, but every now and then there's an "oof" shot that looks so bad.
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Evil Peter Griffin said:
Or use puppets
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Puppeteering allowed them to do things that even modern sci-fi can't. There are plenty of scenes with the crew hugging Pilot, climbing on him or even slightly dismembering him that couldn't be done with CGI.

The only downside are the costs, which are almost prohibitive. Farscape got crazy expensive as the show went on.
Flexo said:
In reality, there's thousands of beneficial microbes in meatbags which they need to live but in a different environment could be horribly virulent. The Benzites briefly touched on this with their breathing aids.
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Benzites are sort of the 'spear carriers' of Star Trek. They are usually seen pottering around in the background. Two of them had speaking roles in TNG, and a Benzite redshirt was (I think) sacrificed in the Dominion War. They lost the breathing apparatus, and even their skin tone has been subject to chsnge. (Okuda jokes in the Deep Space Nine Companion that "there's been some advances in Benzite technology!", meaning they don't use mouth guards in later episodes.)
 
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Is STD supposed to be set in the same timeline as TOS and TNG? If so, it's a very bad fit with the other series. The "spore drive" somehow going away, the sudden change in ship and uniform design from STD to TOS, other major continuity issues like the Klingon thing, and of course the sudden disappearance of woke from the time of STD to TOS.

(I haven't seen STD myself - nor do I want to now - I've just heard about it.)
 
Captain Syrup said:
They lost the breathing apparatus, and even their skin tone has been subject to chsnge. (Okuda jokes in the Deep Space Nine Companion that "there's been some advances in Benzite technology!", meaning they don't use mouth guards in later episodes.)
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"Advances in medical technology."
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Is STD supposed to be set in the same timeline as TOS and TNG? If so, it's a very bad fit with the other series. The "spore drive" somehow going away, the sudden change in ship and uniform design from STD to TOS, other major continuity issues like the Klingon thing, and of course the sudden disappearance of woke from the time of STD to TOS.

(I haven't seen STD myself - nor do I want to now - I've just heard about it.)
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I thought STD was in the Abrams universe?
 
Clown College said:
I thought STD was in the Abrams universe?
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At least from what I can see on the Wikipedia article, STD seems to be set in the main timeline.

The series begins around ten years before the events of Star Trek: The Original Series, when Commander Michael Burnham's recklessness starts a war between the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire. She is court-martialed, demoted, and reassigned to the USS Discovery, which has a unique means of propulsion called the "Spore Drive". After an adventure in the Mirror Universe, Discovery helps end the Klingon war. In the second season they investigate seven mysterious signals and a strange figure known as the "Red Angel", and fight off a rogue artificial intelligence. This conflict ends with the Discovery traveling to the 32nd century, more than 900 years into their future.
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(Star Trek: Discovery - Wikipedia (Premise))
 
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Clown College said:
In my mind STD is in the Abramsverse with all the other garbage Trek series out now.
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Like I said, I like 2 "headcanons": one where the "canon" is as it officially was at the end of ENT - minus the animated series - and the other of just TOS and TAS. And in that first "headcanon", it's as if the JJ Abrams movies and later entries were never made.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Like I said, I like 2 "headcanons": one where the "canon" is as it officially was at the end of ENT - minus the animated series - and the other of just TOS and TAS. And in that first "headcanon", it's as if the JJ Abrams movies and later entries were never made.
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That brings up something I've wondered is TAS considered canon at all? I'm sure a lot of people probably do consider it canon. Me personally I've never tried watching it outside of a few reruns I caught as a kid in the 80's.
 
Clown College said:
That brings up something I've wondered is TAS considered canon at all?
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There were also strong indications from the StarTrek.com (former) official website that TAS was unilaterally, yet formally, re-added to the official canon in 2006 by the franchise for the sole purpose of commercially promoting the occasion of the series' release on DVD that year.
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(Star Trek: The Animated Series | Memory Alpha | Fandom)

If TAS is "canon", it doesn't really fit the rest of the pre-JJ series after TAS that well. There's no more Kzinti and no more "life support belts" for example. But it still fits the ST universe far better than STD does, that's for sure.
 
Clown College said:
That brings up something I've wondered is TAS considered canon at all? I'm sure a lot of people probably do consider it canon. Me personally I've never tried watching it outside of a few reruns I caught as a kid in the 80's.
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sorta but also no
Tiberius is def canon, iirc Yesteryear is, the Kzin aren't for legal reasons, the bug alien from Jihad's species has shown up in EU stuff
 
ToroidalBoat said:
(Star Trek: The Animated Series | Memory Alpha | Fandom)

If TAS is "canon", it doesn't really fit the rest of the pre-JJ series after TAS that well. There's no more Kzinti and no more "life support belts" for example. But it still fits the ST universe far better than STD does, that's for sure.
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I always thought the inclusion of the Kzinti in TAS was very odd considering that they were created by Larry Niven for his Man-Kzin Wars books and were basically like big furry Klingons (sans the honor obsession of later iterations) who basically picked fights with other species because they thought all other species as weak in comparison.

Like, what's the point, you already have Klingons if you want a bunch of warlike assholes.

Interestingly in the Man-Kzin Wars series it's made pretty clear that we fucking stomped the Kzinti every time they picked a fight with us. While the Kzinti are physically superior to humans, humans have spent so long mass murdering each other and gotten so good at it that we actually had to stop or risk extinction.
Thus when the first Kzinti ship comes across an unarmed human vessel they think it's easy prey, only for the human captain to adjust the propulsion drive, turn the ship around, and use the thing as an improvised laser to slice their ship the fuck in half.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I always thought the inclusion of the Kzinti in TAS was very odd considering that they were created by Larry Niven for his Man-Kzin Wars books and were basically like big furry Klingons (sans the honor obsession of later iterations) who basically picked fights with other species because they thought all other species as weak in comparison.

Like, what's the point, you already have Klingons if you want a bunch of warlike assholes
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The Slaver Weapon was written by Larry Niven.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I always thought the inclusion of the Kzinti in TAS was very odd considering that they were created by Larry Niven for his Man-Kzin Wars books and were basically like big furry Klingons (sans the honor obsession of later iterations) who basically picked fights with other species because they thought all other species as weak in comparison.

Like, what's the point, you already have Klingons if you want a bunch of warlike assholes.

Interestingly in the Man-Kzin Wars series it's made pretty clear that we fucking stomped the Kzinti every time they picked a fight with us. While the Kzinti are physically superior to humans, humans have spent so long mass murdering each other and gotten so good at it that we actually had to stop or risk extinction.
Thus when the first Kzinti ship comes across an unarmed human vessel they think it's easy prey, only for the human captain to adjust the propulsion drive, turn the ship around, and use the thing as an improvised laser to slice their ship the fuck in half.
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Yeah, in hindsight it is kinda weird to decide "okay, we're making a star trek cartoon, what should we do" "get the rights to a story from a completely different IP?" "Brilliant!"
 
XYZpdq said:
Yeah, in hindsight it is kinda weird to decide "okay, we're making a star trek cartoon, what should we do" "get the rights to a story from a completely different IP?" "Brilliant!"
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See above. It was more like...
"Want to come write for us?"
"I dunno... can I put my OCs on screen?"
"Deal!"
 
XYZpdq said:
Yeah, in hindsight it is kinda weird to decide "okay, we're making a star trek cartoon, what should we do" "get the rights to a story from a completely different IP?" "Brilliant!"
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I imagine Star Trek could've been different if copyright law was never invented. Like 3DCG Kzinti appearing in ENT or later series.

(Live action Kzinti may not have worked out so well in TNG, as "fursuits" show. Also 3DCG was kind of limited when TNG aired.)
 
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