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Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
 
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Replace VLC with Kodi (I do use both, though), and we do nearly the exact same thing.

To add onto this, if you're worried about your ISP sending you angry letters, spend the ~$16 for 6 months of Real-debrid and route your torrents, or file locker downloads, through there.
Personally I prefer a seedbox, then I can be polite and seed(especially for private trackers) and not waste my limited upload.
But I also added some flexget magic to auto-download completed files and delete files that have been seeded long enough.
 
Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
I'm going to guess it's so that they can throw up floaty holograms wherever they want, and/or hide a lot of the imperfections on set. However, I find it terrible because they are in a ship that needs an alert crew at all times, no matter which shift is on duty. Having bright blue lights on the bridge and in engineering would keep at least the humans awake and alert, as well as getting needed Vitamin D. In space, it can be daytime whenever you need it to be. In that ship, I just wanna fall asleep on a console.
 
Imagine working in an office where there are no lights. Maybe this is why everyone is so angry now. They have to do uppers to stay awake and its making them irritable.
 
Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
Because in the mind of modern Hollywood, dark == gritty, more serious, and more 'realistic'.
 
Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
Blame DS9.

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A lot of people blame Generations (which was already quite dark compared to the tv series), but it was a trend before. First Contact lighted the bridge up a bit:
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...but still didn't have the bright color of the original Enterprise-D of the 80s.

The Enterprise of Abrams' movies looks more like a bar:
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Discovery's bridge (I assume that's the bridge, I don't watch this show) still keeps the same look of DS9/VOY
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But if we go back in time, TOS movies already had dark bridges.
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Looks like the colorful bridge of the Enterprise D is the anomaly.

Modern bridges have the advantage of the ships having windows, so that'a a different matter. Submarines do have a lighting more similar to the Enterprise D.

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You know they fucked up when the dinning room of a submarine has better light than Ten Forward in ST:Generations.
 
Why the fuck is everything so dark? I dont mean the tone I mean the lighting. They're a military vessel they kind of need to see what they're doing. Did Starfleet cheap out and decided to save some money by using less lights? But they don't use money. These writers are retarded.
 
They wanted to hide the flaws of their decade old TV set for the big screen. Their "genius" solution was to make it so you can't see anything.
I get that, but in GEN, they really went retarded with it. Guinan had candles... CANDLES.

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And I think those were indeed the one thing lighting the room.

Picard had only one light bulb.

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Just saw first episode Picard season 3. Let me run down some random thoughts an autistic rant. Spoilers ahead matey.

Started with an extra-special title card letting everybody know you are watching something from the Star Trek brand. Maybe it's older I donno. Reminded me of Marvel/Dc in a bad way.

The first scene, after a long pan over a strange new ship and its contents, was like the first scene of Star Wars--but that one was over relatively quickly and had important dialogue from the droids. This was just a blaster battle between a couple invaders and one old lady which was very drawn out. No phasers, both sides had blasters that made actual gun-firing noises. Victims explode into cinders unlike phaser deaths in TNG where they just get vaporized. Later Riker even lampshades this "I've never seen ashes like this from phaser fire." Strange. The bad guys have weird bird masks. Dr Crusher went full murder mode but it was a kill or be killed moment. When she is shot she has a bleeding wound. Maybe those are bullets. Future bullets, or something.

Picard at home was fine, I guess. Surprised to see he had some sort of Bajoran trophy on his desk. He refers to his communicator as a "20 year old Enterprise D communicator" instead of a "35 year old Starfleet communicator." Later we see Rafi using a TOS style handheld. Crusher sends Picard coded coordinates which Riker helps decode with a bit of knowledge he gleaned back while Picard was Locutus. An event that didn't actually happen on TNG.

There's a ton of the Minority Report style holo-screens. I hate that shit. Like what if Picard wanted to watch a movie. Would he see through the screen to the furniture in his living room while watching Casablanca? Later there's a part where some nebula is interfering with scanning. The static even interrupts the GUI. At least most of the physical screens look right, although there are moments when it seems the screens have like fifty browser tabs open at once. In 2400 those problems really ought to be solved. TNG had more realistic touch screens. The computer voices are wildly inappropriate and sound a bit like a Good Guy doll from the Chucky movies.

So there are stolen weapons that Rafi is investigating on a planet that looks like Blade Runner LA except with aliens. Later she discovers the target of these terrorists and literally arrives at the last moment to warn the target, and witnesses some mass destruction. This after trying futilely to get in touch with Starfleet. Why won't they contact her? She couldn't even get customer service on the line, though she does have an anonymous handler for whatever nonsense reason. Evidently the weapon is just a big transporter portal because it opens under Starfleet Hq (should have answered the phone guys) which falls in a mile-wide hole, and simultaneously is dumped from above onto the adjoining neighborhoods.

People make fun of the Enterprise D and call it "the fat one." Wtf. Someone is spying on Picard and drops Enterprise D micro machine into his beer. Spooky ominous portent whoaaaa dude

The captain of the Titan is a rude jerk, insinuating that most of Starfleet considers our old heroes as unreliable rogues, and even insults Picard's wine which got a little laugh out of me. The captain's private dining room didn't have a door. The bridge looks like we're in the Tech Noir club from Terminator. Titan Captain refers to Starfleet higher ups as "above our pay grade." Yet according to Riker in Unification "I don't use money." Hell I don't think he even has pockets. But Rafi needs money to pay her info sources and is trying to get it from Starfleet. I guess there's money now. Yes there's tons of precedent in Deep Space 9 for credits, latinum whatever but that was like a stipend so Dax could go play dabo, or really a meta-excuse for writers to make conflict amongst the alien milieu.

At the end now we find a guy that refers to himself as Crusher's son. Neither Riker nor Picard say "Wesley is that you?????" The guy has an English accent. Probably Picard's kid. Are accents inherited in the future?

The colors are bad; the old orange/cyan joke is not only stale but using it here almost feels like a troll. Space has way too much light and clouds and shit everywhere. The Titan exterior had some lousy CGI but most of the visual fx were fine. Music was pretty good until the bad guy ship shows up at the end and you got some generic modern blaring klaxon non-music. The Starfleet uniforms are pretty cool but I wonder why there's so many different badges.

Not the future I'd expect from TNG but they had to inherit the problems of Picard seasons one and two. The episode does seem decompressed, it could have been at least ten minutes shorter. I guess Paramount really wanted ten episodes instead of eight. We shall see if forthcoming episodes drag as much. 5.5 out of 10
Fuck you. You hate this show cause of imaginary "wokeness" like with Dave "Klaus Scwabb will rule us all" Cullen that fucking cunt
 
I've posted it elsewhere in this thread but Strange New Worlds Bridge when it's at red alert is a disaster for actual use.
 
The guy has an English accent. Probably Picard's kid. Are accents inherited in the future?

But when Picard's much younger, yet old lady girlfriend brought up Picard and Beverly. They clearly made a point that they "tried to be lovers." Didn't succeed. So Picard either got it in the wrong hole or couldn't get it up. Can't be.....

Anyway yeah, of course, Picard's son, even though he looked like he was in his 30s and not 19 years old like they insinuated from Beverly's 20-year absence.

 
Just saw first episode Picard season 3. Let me run down some random thoughts an autistic rant. Spoilers ahead matey.

Started with an extra-special title card letting everybody know you are watching something from the Star Trek brand. Maybe it's older I donno. Reminded me of Marvel/Dc in a bad way.

The first scene, after a long pan over a strange new ship and its contents, was like the first scene of Star Wars--but that one was over relatively quickly and had important dialogue from the droids. This was just a blaster battle between a couple invaders and one old lady which was very drawn out. No phasers, both sides had blasters that made actual gun-firing noises. Victims explode into cinders unlike phaser deaths in TNG where they just get vaporized. Later Riker even lampshades this "I've never seen ashes like this from phaser fire." Strange. The bad guys have weird bird masks. Dr Crusher went full murder mode but it was a kill or be killed moment. When she is shot she has a bleeding wound. Maybe those are bullets. Future bullets, or something.

Picard at home was fine, I guess. Surprised to see he had some sort of Bajoran trophy on his desk. He refers to his communicator as a "20 year old Enterprise D communicator" instead of a "35 year old Starfleet communicator." Later we see Rafi using a TOS style handheld. Crusher sends Picard coded coordinates which Riker helps decode with a bit of knowledge he gleaned back while Picard was Locutus. An event that didn't actually happen on TNG.

There's a ton of the Minority Report style holo-screens. I hate that shit. Like what if Picard wanted to watch a movie. Would he see through the screen to the furniture in his living room while watching Casablanca? Later there's a part where some nebula is interfering with scanning. The static even interrupts the GUI. At least most of the physical screens look right, although there are moments when it seems the screens have like fifty browser tabs open at once. In 2400 those problems really ought to be solved. TNG had more realistic touch screens. The computer voices are wildly inappropriate and sound a bit like a Good Guy doll from the Chucky movies.

So there are stolen weapons that Rafi is investigating on a planet that looks like Blade Runner LA except with aliens. Later she discovers the target of these terrorists and literally arrives at the last moment to warn the target, and witnesses some mass destruction. This after trying futilely to get in touch with Starfleet. Why won't they contact her? She couldn't even get customer service on the line, though she does have an anonymous handler for whatever nonsense reason. Evidently the weapon is just a big transporter portal because it opens under Starfleet Hq (should have answered the phone guys) which falls in a mile-wide hole, and simultaneously is dumped from above onto the adjoining neighborhoods.

People make fun of the Enterprise D and call it "the fat one." Wtf. Someone is spying on Picard and drops Enterprise D micro machine into his beer. Spooky ominous portent whoaaaa dude

The captain of the Titan is a rude jerk, insinuating that most of Starfleet considers our old heroes as unreliable rogues, and even insults Picard's wine which got a little laugh out of me. The captain's private dining room didn't have a door. The bridge looks like we're in the Tech Noir club from Terminator. Titan Captain refers to Starfleet higher ups as "above our pay grade." Yet according to Riker in Unification "I don't use money." Hell I don't think he even has pockets. But Rafi needs money to pay her info sources and is trying to get it from Starfleet. I guess there's money now. Yes there's tons of precedent in Deep Space 9 for credits, latinum whatever but that was like a stipend so Dax could go play dabo, or really a meta-excuse for writers to make conflict amongst the alien milieu.

At the end now we find a guy that refers to himself as Crusher's son. Neither Riker nor Picard say "Wesley is that you?????" The guy has an English accent. Probably Picard's kid. Are accents inherited in the future?

The colors are bad; the old orange/cyan joke is not only stale but using it here almost feels like a troll. Space has way too much light and clouds and shit everywhere. The Titan exterior had some lousy CGI but most of the visual fx were fine. Music was pretty good until the bad guy ship shows up at the end and you got some generic modern blaring klaxon non-music. The Starfleet uniforms are pretty cool but I wonder why there's so many different badges.

Not the future I'd expect from TNG but they had to inherit the problems of Picard seasons one and two. The episode does seem decompressed, it could have been at least ten minutes shorter. I guess Paramount really wanted ten episodes instead of eight. We shall see if forthcoming episodes drag as much. 5.5 out of 10
The injuries caused by the weapons used in the first scene didn't seem consistent at all. I mean crusher gets a bullet wound like injury from getting hit but everyone else gets vaporized. The stuff about the 20 year old communicator was just weird. I mean 20 years was obviously referring to the last film, which was the wrong uniform for that. It was a really weird error that should have been caught easily before it ever got to the point of filming the scene. That aside, that he had the communicator so close by at the time was something of a convenient fluke. Why send that signal at all to a communicator that for all she knew was probably in a box in the attic somewhere

Whatever that transporter weapon thing was didn't seem like the death star tier doomsday weapon they were implying it was, though to be fair I assume there was some kind of interference going on to prevent her from warning anybody. It would make sense. That scene with the captain of the titan insulting picards wine definitely went over alot friendlier than I would have expected. My grandfather had a vineyard and produced his own wine on a large scale and if somebody had said something like that to him holy shit that would not have caused a shitshow. You do not insult the work of somebody who puts the kind of effort in it takes to make a quality wine like that and expect a nice response from it

As for the money stuff, to be fair he was probably talking figuratively about ranks above their pay grade, though picard was an admiral so there really isn't much above him in that regard, except maybe specific positions of authority rather than rank specifically. I wasn't too impressed with the titan design, though several of the ships in this season (and ESD) were created by the art and 3d ship modelers for STO, so i'd expect varying quality. On that note, expect the enterprise F to show up at some point in the season given what the STO devs have been saying

But yeah, the color scheme and lighting are all over the place and along with many of the other effects seem to be more in line with the retcons from discovery than anything from the tng era

That said, I wasn't impressed at all with the story so far. Granted its the first episode and they needed to use most of it to set things up but it didn't really advance the story at all, and crusher having another kid at the age he appears to be doesn't really make sense with the fact its only been 20 years and he looks late 20s - early 30s

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My girlfriend who doesn't watch any of this Trek stuff, doesn't like woke shit. Once said to me, "You never told me there was an obese crew member in Star Trek Discovery." She randomly stumbled upon a picture of Tilly. lol
With all the talk of tilly and remastering I eagerly await the remastered version of star trek 6, where the assassins don't shoot gorkon at all, they just send tilly over to float around and bounce off the walls in zero g and when power and gravity is restored gorkon lands on the floor and tilly proceeds to land directly on top of him and crush him like a boulder. At the very least I demand this be included as a future deleted scene in some dvd release
 
The injuries caused by the weapons used in the first scene didn't seem consistent at all. I mean crusher gets a bullet wound like injury from getting hit but everyone else gets vaporized. The stuff about the 20 year old communicator was just weird. I mean 20 years was obviously referring to the last film, which was the wrong uniform for that. It was a really weird error that should have been caught easily before it ever got to the point of filming the scene. That aside, that he had the communicator so close by at the time was something of a convenient fluke. Why send that signal at all to a communicator that for all she knew was probably in a box in the attic somewhere
To be fair we have seen weapons like this before, the jemhadar had some kind of energy weapon with anticoagulants effects for glancing shots but she was hit pretty solidly so its still strange. What annoyed me more was that she only got like 5 shots from the phaser before it was out of juice, you would hope that future space guns would have a greater shot capacity but maybe she just forgot to charge the battery. The communicator scene on the other hand I agree was just plain stupid, it was a coded transmission already so why not just send it to him over regular subspace channels? Not even mentioning the fact that communicators are basically just a starship comm systems and probably shouldn't have that kind of range or function to begin with.
Whatever that transporter weapon thing was didn't seem like the death star tier doomsday weapon they were implying it was, though to be fair I assume there was some kind of interference going on to prevent her from warning anybody.
Its incredibly underwhelming in a universe where the weapons on an average starship can destroy entire planets with ease, "alien superweapon" plot lines are also so uninspired and played out at this point they may as well have just included a black screen with [Insert Conflict Here]. So far none of the things they've set up has any substance at all. There is going to be some evil bad guys we need to shoot, a doomsday device we need to destroy and maybe some corrupt federation politicians to dethrone to spice it up a bit. After that everyone is going to sit down for a spot of tea and/or die heroically on their contrived quest for relevance. There is zero engagement with the complex lore and politics of this world thats been established over multiple series, this show may as well have been a pre-written stock scifi flick with some characters we know drag and dropped into it.
 
I finished the first episode. Basically it feels better than the previous ones but the tone is still not right. Titan captain doesn't behave like a captain, riker is riker, picard is still confused. Raffi is a cunt who should die. The portal weapon is dumb. Crushers son seems to have screen presence and could be good. 5/10
 
I'm a bit behind everyone. Currently halfway through watching the episode. I can see some green shoots in a see of crap.

The Good:
The music - stealing the music of Horner and Goldsmith gives it more of a Star Trek feel. Much better than the shit they had before
The banter on the bridge of the titan before taking her out.
The ships look more federation-y
The chemistry of Picard/Riker/Seven

The bad:
Is Star Fleet to poor to afford lights?
Raffi
Mystery box bullshit with Beverly
The phaser fight - also phaser is a laser blast, it should burn a person, and therefore there shouldn't be lots of blood.

Episode 1 of Season 2 also didn't start out terribly so I still don't have high hopes. So far, it feels worse than what people were hyping it up to be.
 
The music - stealing the music of Horner and Goldsmith gives it more of a Star Trek feel. Much better than the shit they had before
As much as I agree its better than what they had in the previous seasons, I'd say that using some actually good music in this show only highlights how bad the original score is even more. It's was extremely jarring for me hearing them side by side.
 
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