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Hungry Fox said:
Out of all the series', DS9 has aged the absolute best. So many of those really damn serious episodes hit even harder nowadays.
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What hits even harder is that in the 24th century trannies still don't pass.
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CrashMan2012 said:
Why is Kirk's body at Daystrom? To provide yet another unnecesary easter egg, and foreshadowing so that the more eagle-eyed viewers might clue in that the maguffin would end up being Picard's corpse.
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i might be giving the writers too much credit, but i could be a plot point.

in star trek generations, both kirk and picard has been through the nexus. and a part of you stays in the nexus according to guinen. so it maybe possible that the changlings want to find the nexus through dead picard. it sounds stupid but it is the only logic to have both picard and kirk at the daystrom station.

it is either that or an unnecessary easter egg.
 
newuser131 said:
and a part of you stays in the nexus according to guinen.
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Guinan was "Pulled. Ripped away." Kirk and Picard left willingly. I don't think they would have left anything behind.
so it maybe possible that the changlings want to find the nexus through dead picard.
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They can get the ribbon's path from Starfleet's databases. It's probably public knowledge by now.
 
Hungry Fox said:
starfleet keeps all the competent people as captains out doing missions, while the sycophants and useless ones get put behind an admiral's desk to push paperwork until they inevitably get caught midplot by one of the worthwhile captains.
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It does explain why the Federation is time and again caught off-guard when it comes to waging war. The upper echelon of Starfleet Command, with the exception of Leyton, is primarily made up of Voroshilov-types... No wonder a good chunk of them were taken over by brainslugs.
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
It does explain why the Federation is time and again caught off-guard when it comes to waging war. The upper echelon of Starfleet Command, with the exception of Leyton, is primarily made up of Voroshilov-types... No wonder a good chunk of them were taken over by brainslugs.
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There's also the weird naval doctrine Starfleet has too. Starfleet relies on lone ships patrolling large sectors of space. As you recall from The Wounded, it takes a full day to scan an entire sector, meaning that a sector is massive for FTL sensors. Now, for good ships like the Nebula or Constitution, that's not a big deal. For an Oberth, it's a VERY big deal. That class is a deathtrap. Which leads me to the Oberth from a mission specification level. It's a recon plane that never has any escort in a galaxy where probes and unmanned supply ships exist. It's a ship that's not fit for purpose OTHER than as a transport ship where the route is very secure. That Starfleet constantly sends them to do jobs that are better done by a probe is really dumb that can't be explained other than that Starfleet made a lot of them. The Urbanship, to borrow a Battletech term, but without a big gun to go with it. Not only that, it takes about a century of these ships blowing up for them to upgrade to the Nova class, which is an underrated ship lore-wise.

Thus, we can see that Fed naval doctrine is woefully inadequate for the purposes of patrolling Federation space at large and only gets unfucked after Wolf 359... sort of. Battlegroups go from 3 (Descent) to 6 (Way of the Warrior pt. 2) if possible.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Starfleet relies on lone ships patrolling large sectors of space.
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Something a competent enemy easily could exploit with cloaking devices and superior sensor tech. Just stalk the lone patrols and when HQ gives the word, you ambush hundreds of unsuspecting Starfleet ships at once, probably crippling the Federation in the first two hours of the war. Why the Romulans never went this gamble seriously will remain a secret, forever. The thing is: you will not catch the Galaxies or Ambassadors off-guard. But the boatloads of Mirandas running supplies or staff? The Oberths mapping local space? The Excelsiors ferrying some Commodore/Admiral-desk job-brainlet? Yeah, I can see a peaceful Federation acting completley braindead. And I can see the Romulans or the Dominion burning the entire thing down, laying waste to hundreds of ships and then proceeding to sieging the shit out of underprotected core worlds.
 
Secret Asshole said:
This is kind of crazy, because the entire plot of Picard Season 3 resembles the TNG Season 1 episode where Starfleet is compromised by these weird alien parasites and Picard blows up a guy's head. This really is pulling out all the references.
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Wouldn't even be the first time that a ST show has used an episode from a past season. Voyager's "Ex Post Facto" is TNG's "A Matter of Perspective". The "our institution has been infiltrated by the enemy" trope isn't even exclusive to Star Trek or Sci-Fi.
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
Something a competent enemy easily could exploit with cloaking devices and superior sensor tech. Just stalk the lone patrols and when HQ gives the word, you ambush hundreds of unsuspecting Starfleet ships at once, probably crippling the Federation in the first two hours of the war. Why the Romulans never went this gamble seriously will remain a secret, forever. The thing is: you will not catch the Galaxies or Ambassadors off-guard. But the boatloads of Mirandas running supplies or staff? The Oberths mapping local space? The Excelsiors ferrying some Commodore/Admiral-desk job-brainlet? Yeah, I can see a peaceful Federation acting completley braindead. And I can see the Romulans or the Dominion burning the entire thing down, laying waste to hundreds of ships and then proceeding to sieging the shit out of underprotected core worlds.
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As I understand it, the Neutral Zones are filled with powerful sensor arrays, but that's just static defenses IMO. I think what kept the Romulans from going full on against the Federation was because they also border the Breen and Klingons and have domestic troubles, so they can only commit two or three Warbirds at a time. The Klingons had similar issues too. The Dominion though? They were able to mostly fix their logistical issues despite having the single biggest chokepoint in Star Trek.
 
This Is Hard To Do said:
Its the last hurrah of the TNG cast. I think a bit of indulgence of fanservice is deserved
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I've seen DirectTV commercials with more subtlety then this last episode.


I think they went a bit overboard this last episode, with each additional "member?" robbing every other of some impact. The starbase museaum - apart from being kind of an absurd idea - came off as some goofy video game UI set piece, compounded by Seven actually scrolling through the ships on the bridge. It all just comes across as kind of cheap and over-done. There may be reasons for the excess of fanservice. It's possible Matalas is striking while the iron is hot and trying to get-in as much canon into the post-TNG setting going forward before another feckless retard nepotism hire ruins it. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The again, some of his public comments can seem glib and patronizing.

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White Devil said:
Did they ever go into who crewed the Enterprise A afterwards?
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It's been awhile, but I remember reading about theories around the Enterprise-A and various semi-canon pronouncements from people involved. The fan theory that seemed to stick for me was that the Enterprise-A was entirely a symbolic gesture on behalf of Starfleet and the people of Earth to the crew of the Enterprise. It was a hastily-rebadged USS Yorktown (I believe it was Roddenberry or someone else high up that floated this idea) brought out of mothballing during a time when the fleet was preparing to transition to Excelsior-platform cruiser. This is consistent with everything else said about Enterprise being decomissioned earlier. And then Kirk's log entries about "this ship" and it's future being more a reference to ships named Enterprise and not that specific vessel. This would further align with Generations rolling out the Enterprise-B.

Obviously this is just lampshading a bunch of different movie production decisions and not any coherent worldbuilding. In show/movie reference material the ships have 100-year lifespans, not 20.
 
For what it's worth.... Midnight's Edge on their livestream (first of 27 March) has heavily hinted that Secret Hideout/Kurtzman's deal to produce/control Star Trek projects has been renewed/extended. Video to follow but apparently they're antsy about the credit for their scoop being usurped by a press release in the meantime, hence the hinting.

Sort of sympathise with those who started to hope with Picard S3 but we've all seen this movie before - many times!
 
Milkshake Sniffer said:
And the video. Claim is extension to 2030 albeit including Matalas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcRbZViuUFc
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This is why I fucking hate the shills saying "You should be happy they're trying! By supporting this they'll try even harder next time." NO THEY FUCKING WON'T! That was stupid. They have the ability to give us proper Star Trek and are actively choosing to half arse it. They will NEVER give us proper Star Trek. They were never going to. Look forward to more shit and thank you shills for validating it with your battered housewife mentality.
 
Ike Aim said:
There may be reasons for the excess of fanservice. It's possible Matalas is striking while the iron is hot and trying to get-in as much canon into the post-TNG setting going forward before another feckless retard nepotism hire ruins it. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The again, some of his public comments can seem glib and patronizing.

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I agree. He seems to be open to the dialogue, he approached people who hate KurtzmanTrek, that's quite unique in the industry these days. Usually those who work on these shows either ignore the old fans or use a blockbot.
I hope he gets his own show. If KurtzmanTrek continues without him then it's done.
 
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Steinercard said:
This is why I fucking hate the shills saying "You should be happy they're trying! By supporting this they'll try even harder next time." NO THEY FUCKING WON'T! That was stupid. They have the ability to give us proper Star Trek and are actively choosing to half arse it. They will NEVER give us proper Star Trek. They were never going to. Look forward to more shit and thank you shills for validating it with your battered housewife mentality.
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Do you think any of us actually PAID for the show you histrionic nigger faggot?

The only trek I buy is old trek. TOS accept no substitutes. Just picked up the GOOD trek movies on UHD. TMP,Khan,Search for Spock,Voyage Home, Undiscovered country.
 
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