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The dumb fuck will probably say First Contact.
Hard disagree on Generations. Generations makes The Final Frontier look like Lord of the Rings. Generations is the most boring piece of shit ever put on film. From the overly long christening shot of the Enterprise B to the never-ending saucer crash sequence. It also started the stupid trend of ACTION PICARD! that plagued all the Next Generation movies.
First Contact is a passable action movie but poorly utilizes the Next Gen cast in favor of ACTION PICARD! and a Data centric story. The plot doesn't hold up if you think about it. The next two movies were dismal and one of them even had unfinished CGI. In four movies they couldn't capture the spirit of TNG.
I hate Generations so much. FUCK GENERATIONS! SCREW YOU RICK BERMAN!
Trek needs to stop with the revenge movies. Every single Next Gen and NU trek movie has been a revenge movie. We get it. Wraith of Khan was really successful. Move on to a new type of story please.
No that's wrong. The real big bad is Keiko O'Brien
Yeah, yeah, I knew there are a bunch of people going after me because I praised Generations. While I'll admit that it is flawed and some scenes are incredibly unnecessary, like Data being a total dickhead to other Starfleet members where it's borderline out of character. But fuck you, I enjoyed it, and in terms of TNG movies, it's still a breath of fresh air compared to Insurrection and Nemesis.
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I just watched it again and still like it. The movie was a nice passing of the baton, but really felt more like a good TNG 2 parter than a movie. The only thing I hated was Data and the fucking emotion chip bullshit which followed him through every movie. The movies made me hate data tbh and it's all down to the fact that Bret Spiner thinks he's a good actor and wants to show off his 'range'.
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That movie did everything wrong. The script was such a piece of shit neither DeForest Kelly nor Leonard Nimoy would come back so they had to use Scotty and Checkov. It was painfully obvious they were meant to be in the first act and had to sub in these two scrubs and didn't adapt the script. Checkov drafts some people to be doctors. Checkov is not and has never been a doctor.
Then they waste time with the next gen doing dumb shit on the holodeck and kill off Picard's family offscreen just so they can have him want to be in the nexus with a fake family. And motivate Data to install a chip that makes him behave like a retard.
The Enterprise crashes for what seems to be an hour while Picard fights some shitty big bad on a mountain bringing back memories of the worst bits of The Final Frontier. I can't stress how stupid and out of character it is to have Picard be an action hero. Picard is not Kirk. Picard is not a punch the baddie in the face kind of guy.
Then there's the stupid boring Nexus shit that like everything else goes on too long.
Then the boring ass finale is Kirk and Picard fighting the big bad on a mountain. Where kirk falls of a bridge and dies.
Then Riker and Picard just kinda shrug at the Enterprise D's destruction like it was a fucking Pinto or something.
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I will defend Picard being an action hero in Generations. It emphasized how alone he was and how none of his usual tools--rhetoric, technology--worked against Soran. And Picard was the rough-and-tumble sort in his youth, so it's not entirely out of character. Ultimately, it was his mind that freed him from the illusion of the Nexus and his persuasion that recruited Kirk, so the classic Picard qualities were still necessary.
All the other times Picard was an action hero, those were unnecessary.
Given the number of Galaxy-class starships that exploded after a light tap or a computer virus, they probably thought that's how the Enterprise-D would go. They must have been relieved they could walk away from that timebomb.
All the other times Picard was an action hero, those were unnecessary.
Given the number of Galaxy-class starships that exploded after a light tap or a computer virus, they probably thought that's how the Enterprise-D would go. They must have been relieved they could walk away from that timebomb.
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One of his more humorous jokes is that SFDebris took the two different actresses playing the Borg Queen as 2 literal different models of the Borg Queen that the collective would rotate in and out as they had certain needs. By the end of it, poor Susanna Thompson queen was so bad at her job she was packaged up with the label on the box: "Do not open unless paperweight needed."
Obviously we know that's not what the show writers intended, but it is funny how much stuff in Trek would make more sense if it was true.
Don't care, didn't ask. I still liked it.
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Erm, I wouldn't say Picard persuaded Kirk to leave so much as Kirk got bored. Though I don't know why he would get bored of Antonia, but whatever.
The Galaxy-class lore-wise is a very overrated ship that never actually met its original parameters. It was originally meant to be used as a long-range ship that didn't need starbase support all that much and potentially a colony ship if necessary. But that's not how the ship is used in the show, as it is never ideally far away from a starbase and was either on patrol or attending diplomatic functions. It was also a very difficult ship to build as about 6 were in service during peacetime and a bit underpowered during that time. It's only in war that the Galaxy-class is push to its absolute potential where it could handle 6000 personnel at a time and sufficiently armed against numerically superior opponents. What the Galaxy-class does do is serve as a testbed for the Nebula-class, which does most of the Galaxy-class's actual job at a fraction of the resources necessary. The Nebula is actually a bit more versatile with its sensor pod attachments that could be switched out as mission parameters dictate. The Galaxy-class was essentially a Grand Navy kind of ship where it's meant to look good, but was not actually up to the ambitious tasks Starfleet set for it and due to the Borg attack, that ship design philosophy fell by the wayside in favor of smaller ship designs like the Defiant, the Steamrunner, the Saber, the Nova, the Intrepid, and the Akira-classes.
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Kirk was slaying different poon constantly. How long exactly do you think he was stuck with Antonia? Of course he got bored.
Can't blame him honestly.
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She didn't have a name. Can I have my virgin now please?
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Not even in ancillary materials?
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>Finally the Big-D on the big screen!
>An entire series of 5-6 TNG films constantly in production
>They'll have the budget to build new sets
>and utilize decent CGI to show us places we could never see on TV but always wanted to
>Like Cetacean Ops, and all those lounges from the official blueprints, and the glorious main shuttle bay and...
Well... Shit.
>An entire series of 5-6 TNG films constantly in production
>They'll have the budget to build new sets
>and utilize decent CGI to show us places we could never see on TV but always wanted to
>Like Cetacean Ops, and all those lounges from the official blueprints, and the glorious main shuttle bay and...
Well... Shit.
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No it doesn't. If anything it does the opposite. The creator of that video grasped at a ton of straws in that video and saw what he wanted to see. It really doesn't fit at all with what we've seen. It also ignores the whole red herring thing that they've done a shit ton of right from the first episode of season 1, ironically largely involving borg related red herrings
Not really. That was one group of borg, in a way that really didn't make any sense and even if they had done that it was retconned by shaw in season 3Michael Wade said:
What part of the plot doesn't hold up? Only major issues I can think of offhand are the fact the borg repeated their mistake of sending a single ship when it didn't work the first time, they should have done the opposite and sent several, which would have likely led to winning the battle. The other being under the circumstances everybody was very lax on security following the initial battle with the borg. You'd think people would be concerned about them doing exactly what they did and getting some drones on board. Doubly so when weird things started happening like unexplained temperature issues. Nobody stopped to consider the suspicious timing of that and be a little more cautiousferal cat #6385 said:
Nimoy didn't like his part and refused to be a part of it. Kelly couldn't be involved because of health issues and the insurance company involved refusing to provide insurance for him on set due to his health, so it wasn't really a matter of him not wanting to be involvedferal cat #6385 said:
True but he would have had some basic medical training like everybody else, which was all they really had since no medical team was on board yet. Have to work with what you've gotferal cat #6385 said:
Start of movie: captain on the bridgeferal cat #6385 said:
End of movie: bridge on the captain
Its funny you mentioned that, shatner even made a dig at it in one of the novels he released after generations:Standardized Profile said:
A Galaxy-class starship had been lost on his watch. The flagship of the Fleet. The boards of inquiry alone would take months.
But Starfleet was nothing if not responsive, and realistic. True, the Enterprise had been lost, but three other of her sister ships had also experienced catastrophic failure in less than a decade since the Galaxy class had first flown. Clearly, there were matters of design and technology implementation to be addressed by Starfleet's Engineering sections.
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The Federation may not have money depending on who you ask, but they certainly had graft.
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Video Toaster was awesome and doesn't deserve to be associated with Wil Wheton.
Treachery, Faith, and the Great River proved that in spades.
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I heard Nimoy flat out wouldn't do it for respect for Kelley. (Not sure from where I remember that tidbit, or if it's true.) Generations would be 10x better if it had those two guys. TNG-Continuity-Buster Scotty & 'Doctor' Chekhov? Sorry, no thank you.
I agree with Ike Aim, it would have been nice to see the 1701-D expanded and used for sequels. Some people don't like the Galaxy class but it is very cool: humongous, unique, sleek, and powerful. Too bad the movie interiors changed so much from the familiar tv version, and the exterior went from pale blue-green to drab gray. The new costumes are ghastly. The Generations story itself is fine but the execution is so different from the show that it's hard to mentally reconcile as an extension of it.
DS9 caused a bit of trauma to see how much the Galaxy sucked against the Jem Hadar, which was surely deliberate on the part of the producers.