Well, it's not like we ever got the OG 1701 on the big screen, at least the D got on there once.
Why does Starfleet not trust Picard with fighting the borg even though he has fought them and won several times? Why didn't the Borg time travel in deep space away from earth so the Federation wouldn't know? Why does the Defiant sucks at fighting the Borg when it was designed to do that? What's the Borgs plan cause they say they want to stop first contact and other times they say to assimilate the past? Why the fuck did they bring Data the gold skinned robot man along when the crew was on past Earth? If they cared so much about protecting the timeline why did they tell Cochrane his future? Did the Queen just want a fuck buddy? Why is Picard so casual about killing his crew that has been assimilated? He was fixed why not them? Why is Picard so angry?
I remember hearing that the D model was meant for TV and just not good enough for film.
So what you're saying is, you like the D?
Well yes, to put it succinctly.humongous, unique, sleek, and powerful
And most CGI effects from the 2010s onward look horrifyingly fake as shit.
PS3 cutscenes is generous
That feels like one of Judy and Gar's contributions. I dipped out of Star Trek literature before it became the "litverse" and know only a handful of books, but I wholeheartedly recommend their TOS novel Prime Directive.
The only time it's looked good was in Rogue One and that's because they digitized every single piece of the original models. A friend of mine worked on that movie and told me it was an insanely labor intensive process.
He was involved with them once after his time as locutus, before first contact and that wasn't really the borg it was whatever the fuck lore had going on. Their overall concerns were a) potential issues due to trauma making him have some kind of breakdown or do something stupid (which turned out to be correct because he did in fact start to lose it and do stupid shit and only backs down when lilly points it out to him) and b) that the borg may retain some kind of influence they or he don't know about, or possibly create a trojan horse situation. Point is they were right he was a potentially unstable element that they couldn't be sure about
Because the borg aren't stupid, thats asking for a butteryfly effect situation. They're risking too many accidental changes in the past that could easily affect the borg as much as anyone elseEvil Peter Griffin said:
Because its one ship, essentially at that time the prototype, which had design issues by admission and which was intended to fight the borg as part of an actual fleet of said classes of shipsEvil Peter Griffin said:
Those are not mutually exclusive. They intended to stop first contact, then assimilate earth, then move on and likely expand out into the rest of the quadrant. There was literally a novel where they did just thatEvil Peter Griffin said:
His interaction was limited to the silo and ship in it pretty much, and the answer is likely 'because he was the best suited for the jobEvil Peter Griffin said:
Because the damage had already been done and he was starting to have second thoughts about going through with it. They didn't tell him much he wouldn't have found out before long anyway. The point was the convince him to go through with itEvil Peter Griffin said:
No, she was being manipulative to get access to the information she needed, as was blatantly obviousEvil Peter Griffin said:
Because he hated the borg, they represented what he once was and he knew there was nothing he could do for them anywayEvil Peter Griffin said:
He was one person in a very specific situation that allowed for it. The better part of half the crew had been assimilated, they weren't in any position to be able to capture, let alone do anything to help those who had been assimilated. They were barely holding on as is and effectively lost the battle for control of the ship in the endEvil Peter Griffin said:
....What? Is that a serious question? You watched the movie and have to ask that question?Evil Peter Griffin said:
Correct. Which is why they destroyed it in generations and replaced it with a new ship in first contact designed for film. Its also why they did the stuff they did with the lighting in generationsWhite Devil said:
The only reason Picard did stupid things was because movie Picard is stupid. Even if Hugh and Lore's Borg commune wasn't real Borgs Picard didnt go crazy with his Trauma like in the movie.
You mean to tell me going back in time in some remote part of galaxy and traveling to earth is more determinantal to the timeline than undoing first contact? Bullshit.
It did pretty good during the Dominion War.
What blatantly obvious is the Queen is retarded. Why the fuck does a hive mind need a Queen?
Stun them and put them in statis. Then have Crusher fix them later. They couldn't save all of them but they could have saved some.
Its incredible hypocritical for Picard to say they aren't worth saving. TV show Picard cared for his crew.
Except it isn't bullshit. Its indisputable by definition. Thats literally the whole concept of the butterfly effect. You're going to interact with and disrupt a hell of alot more doing what you're suggesting and therefore creating all kinds of unintended side effects doing what you're suggesting than going about things the way they did in first contactEvil Peter Griffin"}The only reason Picard did stupid things was because movie Picard is stupid. Even if Hugh and Lore's Borg commune wasn't real Borgs Picard didnt go crazy with his Trauma like in the movie.[/quote] They were not real borg said:
It was destroyed in the dominion war. By a force far less technologically advanced and powerful than the borg. They're also not the borg, so your comparison doesn't make any senseEvil Peter Griffin said:
Except her actions make perfect logical sense given her goals. Something has to direct the actions of the collective and keep things orderly and everybody on the same page, otherwise things go to shit. The queen is the very literal personification of the will of the collective. Essentially the collective made manifest. Even insect colonies with hive structures have a queen for similar reasons. The borg queen is just a more advanced version of itEvil Peter Griffin said:
Do you know how absurd that sounds?Evil Peter Griffin said:
He didn't see them as his crew anymore, because they literally weren't. It had nothing to do with not being worth saving, he pointed out several times they couldn't be savedEvil Peter Griffin said:
Addressing it isn't dealing with it. Having a slapfight in the mud with his brother isn't facing the borg again, on his ship, trying to take it over and assimilate everybody. He didn't deal with shit. That is what trauma is, it doesn't go away because you pick a fight and cry about it for an episode. There is every reason for him to act the way he did. Hell his motivation for it was stated right to his face. He wanted to hurt them because they hurt him. Welcome to human nature 101Evil Peter Griffin said:
Something almost overlooked by everybody is Picard knows how to fight the Borg. And the way to do it against drones is with kinetic energy weapons i.e. guns like the holodeck Tommygun, blunt and sharp melee weapons like phaser buttstocks, bat'leths and other Klingon mall ninja weaponry.
The Odyssey did okay as a peacetime vessel. The captain was also saying that they couldn't hold out much longer with or without a kamikaze attack. Even if shields did work, we'd still be hearing lines like "Shields at 30%" or something like that.
Even as a peacetime vessel, Galaxies like the Enterprise were more than capable of standing up to almost anybody within the Beta and Alpha Quadrants. Wasn't until first contact with the Borg convinced Starfleet they needed something more war minded. Even if Picard himself didn't take the Borg seriously due to coping, seething and dilating over Q making him beg for Q's help.
The Odyssey crew had already done that before completely losing shields and were forced to tank hits to hull.
