To be fair, I fucking hated that hot rodded Enterprise and was glad it got blown up real good. I understand they wanted to update the look for modern and new audiences but goddamn if that didn't look like a rat rod Cleetus built in his shed.
Like everything else in those movies, it could have been cool, but it doesn't really do any cool stuff. It feels like it's made out of tin because of how fast the action goes. It ain't like in the TOS movies where the explosions have weight to it. Shit, I think Nemesis handled its ship combat better. The E gets into a knockdown, drag-out fight and limps away victorious.
Agreed. The ienterprise biting it was something I liked about the movie. That stupid looking piece of shit was a jobber in every movie.
Sure was. The Nebula battle was very tense. A sub battle in space. Just thinking about it is making me want to put it on and watch it right now.
And I agree with you on that.
Now that you mention it, oftentimes in TNG scripts, they would just write "older Starfleet ship" whenever they used the Excelsior on screen. Why not use the old Enterprise-A model? It looks cool and it's not like Starfleet is adverse to using old, out-of-date ships.
The fight at the end of The Undiscovered Country is really good too but yeah Wrath of Khan wins
One thing I really liked about those old movies is that every time a weapon is fired, it seriously affects the direction of the plot. I'll use TUC as an example:
Robert Meyer Burnett happened. He's a long-time Star Trek "uberfan" and die-hard boomer to the franchise who's big claim to fame is directing the extras for one of the TNG disc releases. As a loud and proud fan of Star Trek, predictably, his career went nowhere further and he actually ended-up blocked by Paramount on social media, which eventually led him to show up trying to grift on YouTube a few years back off the backs of FNT / Midnight's Edge / Critical Drinker / Dave Cullen and the Star Trek wing of the former Fandom Menace.
I find the psychology of these thirsty people more telling than the show itself. They just can't accept that the TNG era ended and think this elongated TNG movie is what fixed TNG movies despite being very similar to the TNG movies these people criticize as bad movies. For all their professions of preferring the TNG TV show, they forget why the TNG show worked the way it did. It was a five act dramatic series that often had well written, well acted guest characters trying to figure out the problem of the week. Shooting things, while an option, was rarely the solution to most problems. It's why the TNG show is timeless and gets better the older you are. Before you say that slow-paced shows that are about old people talking don't sell and no one watches them, I will remind you that Better Call Saul and House of Cards exist and those shows are about old people talking in rooms. What they've effectively said is that they want old people action movies with great special effects. Why? Because they like these old characters and can't admit their time has past. I understand the new characters aren't very good, but that has to do with bad writing backed by unmemorable performances.
yeah the whole thing about Quark's distaste for the ways Ferengi society was changing was pretty great
I unironically like Star Trek '09. I have yet to give a shit about any Trek show beyond DS9 (okay, and The Adventures of Captain Proton) but I knew that the quality of the TNG had become absolutely dire, to the point where people were counting Galaxy Quest as a Star Trek movie to put any points on the board post First Contact.
TNG had the Crystalline Entity with probably the closest thing to an Evangelion angel.
'09 Kirk was Alpha while TOS Kirk was Sigma.
One of the things that was quite a shock when I finally watched some real TOS episodes is that Kirk is not at all like the many parodies of him. He is really a disciplined man, as is Picard, but he does it according to his own personality.
TOS Kirk is also a role model. But at some point the idea of Kirk turned in to William Shatner IRL. A womanizer and massive ham with a terrible toupe.