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ditto said:
TNG had the Crystalline Entity with probably the closest thing to an Evangelion angel.

Also VOY had Q's son masturbating to an unconscious Seven of Nine if that counts.


I love the sets and pacing of the '09 movie but I really don't like Chris Pine as Kirk.

'09 has a flanderized version of Kirk, super cocky, always right, fucking cocktail waitresses two at a time.

While TOS Kirk was bookish high achiever that women loved but he could never requite because his true love was always the Enterprise.

In the manosphere terms 🤮 '09 Kirk was Alpha while TOS Kirk was Sigma.
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If you think Pine's Kirk is bad, it looks like the Kirk is SNW will be token comedy white guy if the trailer is anything to go by
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Now that you mention it, oftentimes in TNG scripts, they would just write "older Starfleet ship" whenever they used the Excelsior on screen. Why not use the old Enterprise-A model? It looks cool and it's not like Starfleet is adverse to using old, out-of-date ships.
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It was too big and too expensive to film for the show, especially in the first couple of seasons, when they would film the models together rather than composite them. The A model would have dwarfed the D.
 
Something I never caught during the god awful season 3 of picard but in retrospect it makes sense:
They killed off elnor and nobody noticed, said shit when it happened or cared. Hated the character but it seems pretty on par with the competency of the writers for the series
 
WonderWino said:
Something I never caught during the god awful season 3 of picard but in retrospect it makes sense:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fdQ5Gq_xiQ4They killed off elnor and nobody noticed, said shit when it happened or cared. Hated the character but it seems pretty on par with the competency of the writers for the series
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I'm not convinced that was unintentional. Half the cast vanished, and I didn't really find myself worrying or caring where they were either.
 
WonderWino said:
Something I never caught during the god awful season 3 of picard but in retrospect it makes sense:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fdQ5Gq_xiQ4They killed off elnor and nobody noticed, said shit when it happened or cared. Hated the character but it seems pretty on par with the competency of the writers for the series
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It's not surprising, yet even as retarded, that the writers and cast acknowledge how stupid it is to see characters disappear without a trace. Being self-aware does NOT save your show from being a godawful pile of shit.
 
TVBForever said:
It's not surprising, yet even as retarded, that the writers and cast acknowledge how stupid it is to see characters disappear without a trace. Being self-aware does NOT save your show from being a godawful pile of shit.
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Does it make a difference if nobody actually gives a shit about the characters? Was anyone sincerely concerned about Elnor's fate?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you on the writing point, I'm just struggling to believe anyone was invested in the continuing adventures of Elnor.

EDIT: I re-thought my position. As much as I hate Poochie and don't want Poochie in the show, there's better ways to write Poochie out of the show.

 
FudgeFish said:
Does it make a difference if nobody actually gives a shit about the characters? Was anyone sincerely concerned about Elnor's fate?
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shit writing is still shit writing, even if it affects a character no one likes.

and tbh as much as the character might have sucked, he didn't deserve to be blown up randomly. it's dumb at best, meanspirited at worst, and neither should apply to star trek.
might as well show his eyeball getting ripped out...
 
ZMOT said:
shit writing is still shit writing, even if it affects a character no one likes.

and tbh as much as the character might have sucked, he didn't deserve to be blown up randomly. it's dumb at best, meanspirited at worst, and neither should apply to star trek.
might as well show his eyeball getting ripped out...
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And in this case, Worf is basically Elnor anyways. Sneaks up on people and stabs them.
 
I was going to defend Robert Meyer Burnett because as far as I knew he got blacklisted by the Star Trek rights holders for working on a goofy fan film years ago and it harmed his career and even prevented him from getting a blu-ray release for Free Enterprise. Then I watched a video about that Axanar movie and found out he and the producer were leeching off the Trek IP, selling merch and planning to use money they made off the movie to make their own original content.


Cullen deserves the most scorn. The other Geeks & Grifter crew, including Critical Plinker, are all fence-riding homos who just care about views, but Cullen was weeping into his guinness and praying to the Lord Jesus to save us from globohomo in 2020. Now he's pimping for globohomo 24/7.

 
White Devil said:
I like/hate the first one. It's... flawed but there wasn't an outright malicious attempt to destroy Trek like what we have now. I refuse to acknowledge Into Darkness exists, it's one of the only movies I have ever walked out of, and yeah Beyond was fun. I'd rather have another 10 Beyonds than STD, LD, STP, and SNW.
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My favourite Trek is the original six movies. Yes, even V. Those are the ones I watched over an over again growing up, and I've seen them a million times. Beyond is the closest they've come to capturing the spirit of those movies in the modern era. It's not as good, obviously, but I would love to get a handful of movies the quality of Beyond, like a little trilogy similar to II, III & IV.
 
Never Scored said:
My favourite Trek is the original six movies. Yes, even V. Those are the ones I watched over an over again growing up, and I've seen them a million times. Beyond is the closest they've come to capturing the spirit of those movies in the modern era. It's not as good, obviously, but I would love to get a handful of movies the quality of Beyond, like a little trilogy similar to II, III & IV.
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II, III, IV and VI are the real Star Trek movies to me. TMP is fine, but it's just an obviously extended episode of the original Star Trek series. V leans more on so-bad-its-good only because Shatner knew when to ham it up.
 
TVBForever said:
II, III, IV and VI are the real Star Trek movies to me. TMP is fine, but it's just an obviously extended episode of the original Star Trek series. V leans more on so-bad-its-good only because Shatner knew when to ham it up.
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I like TMP because it's the all that remains of the bizarro 1970s version of The Next Generation that we never got.
 
Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Then I watched a video about that Axanar movie and found out he and the producer were leeching off the Trek IP, selling merch and planning to use money they made off the movie to make their own original content.
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He's not all bad. As a fan, I agree with most of his takes. He's just, yeah, a bit of a weasel and at a time when the fandom could really use a spiritual successor to Star Trek, it's annoying to see him constantly get involved in schemes to insinuate himself back into Trek in questionable ways with questionable projects and drag as many fan "influencers" as possible along with him, to the detriment of fandom as a whole. I mean, since nuBSG years ago it's been clear everyone wants military sci-fi and it's not going away. So, take all those edgy pew pew ideas and fork Star Trek and make a new franchise. What's stopping them other than talent?

Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Cullen deserves the most scorn.
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He acts like his brain broke somewhere during SNW S1 when he made out like he got trolled with the tranny episode and rage quit.

XYZpdq Jr. said:
5 had climbing rocks and punching god in the dick
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Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain
Why is he climbing a mountain?
Because he's in love.
 
Never Scored said:
I like TMP because it's the all that remains of the bizarro 1970s version of The Next Generation that we never got.
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No, season 1 of TNG also was like that too. Just take a note how often a character will say a beautiful woman is beautiful or Riker's delivery of lines or Riker & Troi in that season or how there seems to be a lot of aliens with god-like powers. Even the reviled Code of Honor episode is really more like a bad TOS episode than anything else.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
No, season 1 of TNG also was like that too. Just take a note how often a character will say a beautiful woman is beautiful or Riker's delivery of lines or Riker & Troi in that season or how there seems to be a lot of aliens with god-like powers. Even the reviled Code of Honor episode is really more like a bad TOS episode than anything else.
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And remember that Roddenberry allegedly wanted an episode with orgy scene somewhere in there. No word on whether Wesley was going to take part and to be frank, I'm glad I don't know.
 
Hungry Fox said:
And the entire retarded roller coaster is worth it in the end for the "Why does God need a starship" scene.
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It's absolutely cheesiness like this that makes me appreciate it more because it's bad.
 
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