Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Not to defend Cullen, but there is nothing wrong if he liked this season and wished ST was more like this. We all already agreed that this is the best we're ever gonna have and we're never having the old Trek back so in that he's not wrong.
 
5 had climbing rocks and punching god in the dick, both of which were important parts of TOS that had gone neglected in the movies
V would have been better if Shatner had an actual fist fight with god and won. Like how he fought Khan in Space Seed. Using the classic Star Trek fight music. And just as he is about to crush god's head with a rock he shows mercy. And has some sort of Shatner speech where he puts god in his place. And a shamed god agrees to stay in exile and not be a dick anymore.

Because of the WGA strike several Phase II scripts were recycled into Season 2 TNG episodes.
Like the season opener The Child.
 
V would have been better if Shatner had an actual fist fight with god and won. Like how he fought Khan in Space Seed. Using the classic Star Trek fight music. And just as he is about to crush god's head with a rock he shows mercy. And has some sort of Shatner speech where he puts god in his place. And a shamed god agrees to stay in exile and not be a dick anymore.
iirc he was supposed to beat up rock monsters but they ran out of money, there's some test footage of them and I think the comics still have the sequence
 
iirc he was supposed to beat up rock monsters but they ran out of money, there's some test footage of them and I think the comics still have the sequence
The rock monster costume was lame looking anyway. When they took away the money he should have changed it to fist fighting god instead. With his shirt getting ripped off for good measure.
 
It's not surprising, yet even as retarded, that the writers and cast acknowledge how stupid it is to see characters disappear without a trace. Being self-aware does NOT save your show from being a godawful pile of shit.
So as Lyman was to Garfield, Elnor was to Prickard?

Also possibly unpopular opinion: most of William Shatner's best performances were after Star Trek, with the exception of Khan. His best performance was in Boston Legal, especially his complex relationship with Alan Shore (James Spader).

DENNY CRANE!
 
Because of the WGA strike several Phase II scripts were recycled into Season 2 TNG episodes.
I suspect a lot of Data's early "gosh you humans are just the neatest thing" shtick was recycled ideas for Xon even if they may not have been from specific scripts
 
So after all the positive word of mouth, I finally decided to start watching Season 3 of Picard.

I'm 4 episodes in and I'm shocked about how I don't hate it.

It isn't peak Star Trek at its finest, but in this day and age, it is warm apple pie served to be after eating a mountain of shit for 20 years.

There are still things I don't like. The excessive swearing, the poorly lit sets (why are shows now so obsessed with staging everything in the dark? Jesus), and the small ties to Seasons 1 and 2 of this messy show.

But gosh darn it, the old TNG cast has slipped into their roles seamlessly. For Frakes, its as if no time passed from Season 7 of TNG, Stewart doesn't seem as old as he did in Season 1 of Picard, and its a delight seeing the old cast slowly get back together. Also, its nice to have a cliched "meanie of the week" style villain played by a great actor to elevate its presence, and letting discussions, overcoming differences, and working together to solve a problem rather than bang bang boom boom everything or talk about whatever social justice thing they want to push that is going to poorly date the show horribly in 5 years.

Its just...Star Trek. Good, fun Star Trek.

Oddly enough, 20 years ago, this might have felt stale and tired, but after Trek has been so bad for so long, that this felt nice and even kind of fresh.
 
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When I heard there would be one of Geordie's daughters on the ship I feared the worst. I'd watched that animated Lower Decks disaster, I thought this would be irredeemable.

Thank god Sidney turned out to be one of the highlights. I remember saying out loud "oh thank god, she's not stupid, she's resourceful, cringey and has an interesting beef with her dad". She's everything they can't seem to get right in all of these miserable paramount plus years. I don't buy funkopops and I don't care about modern tv, so if you want to call me a nostalgia hypocrite for liking picard season 3, go ahead. It didn't make me want to die, like all of nuTrek.

Give star trek to this Terry Matalis fella, just have Kurzman deliver coffee on set or be an accountant, for the love of fuck. And don't ever let Stewart in the writer's room again.
 
And don't ever let Stewart in the writer's room again.
Slightly disagree if there's a Trek equivalent to something like this to serve as reminder why he shouldn't ever ask again to write for the company. Plus to serve as an example for the others who're questioning their place and think they write better without proof.
 
I finished watching RLM video on the final episodes and I also happened to watch Nemesis later.

I agree with their takes about P3, but I absolutely disagree with this being a better finale than Nemesis because Nemesis was such a lacklustre. It was a good finale for TNG and the crew, imo, but Nemesis wasn't that bad as a final. Honestly, I think Nemesis is often preceded by its reputation of being bad rather than actually be that bad.

-I start with something I don't know if it happens in the original version, but in the Spanish dubbed version, the crew speak with Picard using the informal "you": "tú". Only when he gives a direct order or they're on the bridge, they use the formal version. I'll check if this is not just Beverly, but I think I heard Will using both "tú" and "usted" in different circumstances with Picard. Personally, I like that detail and if it was a thing for the translation, it might have happened because...

-Picard actually did what Q told him. He has a more familiar tone with the main crew. You can tell how comfortable they all feel around him and how they know that some minor banter can be allowed between them.

-And yet, Picard is still Picard. When they are facing the Romulans, he insists on diplomacy first. He also tells Shinzon that he's an explorer, not a warrior. He also shows he's still the same adventurer in First Contact when Lilly tells him she envies the world he's going, and he says he envies her for she's gonna be build the new world. That's Picard to a T.

-The more I think about it, the most it makes sense that the Enterprise is a "war ship" (is not, but they said it feels like it) because the Federation comes from fighting first the Borgs (which they know can come back at any moment) and the Dominion. If their main ships aren't armed up to the teeth, they'd be complete idiots. The movie itself proves that war can happened at any moment.

-Data's death is not meaningless and it goes beyond Brent Spinner's wish to retire Data. Because that's what finally made him human, imo, not having feelings. He gives up his life for his friends and I'm sure he didn't do it because it was a logical reasonable thing to do. He did it to give them a chance. It's quite obvious that Data has progressed into that point at that moment. He "feels" in his own unique way and this proves it. There is even a Bible verse saying there is no greatest love than give your life for others. I have no problem with Data being now "human", but he was human already.

Overall, it's not a bad finale for TNG despite the many flaws of the movie.

-Riker finally "graduates" from being a First Officer and has his own ship and gets married.
-Data does the ultimate human act of sacrifice.
-The Enterprise keeps their adventures with Picard, Geordi, Worf, and Beverly.
-There is an open door to start peace with the Romulans.

Meanwhile, Picard 1 and 2:

-Riker and Troi lost a child.
-Data had daughters?
-Picard is old and treated with disrespect. Geordi, Worf, and Beverly are MIA.
-The Romulan Empire blows up.

Picard 3 actually returned the characters to where they were before Picard 1 and 2. I totally can believe that, once Riker was gone and married and him getting older, Picard could have considered a relationship with Beverly, specially when Geordi and Worf eventually left the Enterprise.

I don't think this "improves" the Nemesis finale, it just follows from there.
 
Is it possible that when Q interfered in Season 2, the end of the final episode has them in a slightly different universe then when they started? Then season 1 and 2 canon is squishy and the New Borg can be dismissed as focused on protecting that gateway from a different universe and nobody talks about them because they are weird.
 
I'm going to hope that now that Q is back, he'll just snap his fingers and all of Romulus and its people will be restored like nothing ever happened in the first place.
 
Just finished it and yup, it was good!

Good fun and a nice last trek with the TNG cast. It feels like the ending they deserved. I never saw Seasons 1 or 2 of Picard and based on the feedback they received, I'm glad I did. This was TNG season 8 and it worked.

I will say this. I did groan when The Borg was revealed as the villain. Yes, The Borg was the biggest adversary for the TNG crew, but after the show, First Contact, and even their use in Voyager, The Borg went from being a dangerous threat to being an overused and tired concept.

However, when I saw the execution of their plan, it actually made The Borg terrifying again. That was something I didn't expect to feel.

So kudos for pulling that off.
 
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