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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Yes, but they tell you that upfront. They don't institute that rule ex post facto.

As far as I can tell, the rules of joining the Federation is to be a mostly free, democratic society that doesn't have supersoldiers, not at war with another nation, and provide some kind of exportable good or service like Risian Horgons or Andorian Ice or Vulcan puzzles.
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From what we've seen, Vulcan exports seem to consist of irritating males, and thots like Kirstie Alley, Jolene Blalock, and Robin Curtis
 
draggs said:
and thots like Kirstie Alley, Jolene Blalock, and Robin Curtis
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"Ok so maybe Vulcans are not all bad." -Jonathan Archer

Oh geez. Can you imagine how eGirls would be in Star Trek where you not only have access to alien chicks, but you can get fully interactive experiences in the holodecks?

Actually now that I think about it... the big D (and boy do we like them thicc) had 16 holodecks with over 1k people on board.

How did those things not have a waitlist months long???

Never Scored said:
Worf has killed a man out of vengeance in front of several Enterprise officers.
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And he did get a demerit for it.
 
Screamer_2 said:
I assume it's just similar to how if someone goes blind, goes death, gets crippled that life can be really difficult to adjust to that. Deciding they are fine with the disability doesn't mean it's an identity group though.

Anyway, I just cut my foot open on a rusty piece of metal. It is my identity to be bleeding and how dare anyone suggest there is something wrong with my identity and I need to be fixed. No human needs to be fixed.
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Never Scored said:
Worf has killed a man out of vengeance in front of several Enterprise officers.
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you got me there. this after the man kill worf's baby momma. no prison, no fine, no demotion.

this is the woke federation playbook. like san francisco/los angeles "restorative justice" mindset where as long as you are black you can rob stores, play the knockout game, etc. even murder, the district attorney will not throw the book at them. worf is a minority (klingon) in the federation, therefore social justice must take place.
 
newuser131 said:
the federation is absolutely liberal. i would argue socialist. and the federation is no different than today's global homo
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It boils down to if you're going to believe rhetoric over what your eyes tell you. The Federation is liberal in many ways perhaps, but with an exceptional hard-on for nationalism at the very least. No way that many distinct cultures (on Earth and throughout the federation) exist that far into the future otherwise. The entire show is run by white western men and Vulcans, ffs. Earth's patchwork quilt of ethnic identities are STRONGER in the future than they are now. It's as if some agreement was made post first contact between liberals and conservatives to help build upon the best of their respective ideologies and spread it to other planets.
 
Ike Aim said:
It boils down to if you're going to believe rhetoric over what your eyes tell you. The Federation is liberal in many ways perhaps, but with an exceptional hard-on for nationalism at the very least. No way that many distinct cultures (on Earth and throughout the federation) exist that far into the future otherwise. The entire show is run by white western men and Vulcans, ffs. Earth's patchwork quilt of ethnic identities are STRONGER in the future than they are now. It's as if some agreement was made post first contact between liberals and conservatives to help build upon the best of their respective ideologies and spread it to other planets.
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It's more like the agreement is, "If you don't like it here, you can found your own planet." If you want to be an Antifatard, go to Turkana IV, if you want to be Irish Amish, join the Bringloidi colony, if you want to be a libertarian Navajo farmer, go join the Maquis. The Federation has a loose hold on human colonization most days of the year... until it starts a fight with another civilization like the Cardassians, the Klingons, the Talarians, the Tzenkethi, the Shelliak, and the Gorn. It's an irresponsible colonization policy, IMO, because it spreads Fed colonies so far Starfleet can't adequately protect them, but it does keep the peace between its 150 member states.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
As far as I can tell, the rules of joining the Federation is to be a mostly free, democratic society that doesn't have supersoldiers, not at war with another nation, and provide some kind of exportable good or service like Risian Horgons or Andorian Ice or Vulcan puzzles.
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Didn't they eventually let the Ferengi into the Federation despite them still having a deeply sexist society?
newuser131 said:
you got me there. this after the man kill worf's baby momma. no prison, no fine, no demotion.
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Kirk was routinely insubordinate, sometimes directly defied orders, routinely violated the Prime Directive, and even stole a starship, and for that all he got was a demotion back to Captain (which is exactly what he wanted anyway).

I think the Federation operates much like an idealized version of the U.S. military. Remember when the Germans got a bunch of our internal rulebooks and so on for the military and thought they'd scored a huge coup, only to be incensed at the fact that our actual dudes on the ground pretty much ignored that shit?
 
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AnOminous said:
Didn't they eventually let the Ferengi into the Federation despite them still having a deeply sexist society?

Kirk was routinely insubordinate, sometimes directly defied orders, routinely violated the Prime Directive, and even stole a starship, and for that all he got was a demotion back to Captain (which is exactly what he wanted anyway).

I think the Federation operates much like an idealized version of the U.S. military. Remember when the Germans got a bunch of our internal rulebooks and so on for the military and thought they'd scored a huge coup, only to be incensed at the fact that our actual dudes on the ground pretty much ignored that shit?
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Probably in some alternate timeline Worf was traveling through. In DS9 though, they don't join, but they might as well have with Grand Nagus Rom's labor reforms.
 
AnOminous said:
and even stole a starship, and for that all he got was a demotion back to Captain (which is exactly what he wanted anyway).
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He did Save Earth after stealing a Starship, it's really hard to court martial the guy that just saved The Capital of The Federation.
 
Looks like Pike is headed for Troonos IV this time
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AnOminous said:
Didn't they eventually let the Ferengi into the Federation despite them still having a deeply sexist society?

Kirk was routinely insubordinate, sometimes directly defied orders, routinely violated the Prime Directive, and even stole a starship, and for that all he got was a demotion back to Captain (which is exactly what he wanted anyway).

I think the Federation operates much like an idealized version of the U.S. military. Remember when the Germans got a bunch of our internal rulebooks and so on for the military and thought they'd scored a huge coup, only to be incensed at the fact that our actual dudes on the ground pretty much ignored that shit?
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The Federation and the treatment of the Prime Directive during Kirk's time in TOS and movies was hell of a lot different than what they morphed into when Picard became captain of the Enterprise D. As Kirk and crew wouldn't be doing a ship wide fapping session when some pre-warp species is about to be wipe out of existence. Kirk and Enterprise are capable of saving them. As opposed to Picard who'll happily stand aside watching a pre-warp species he could've save go extinct.

Since Star Trek never even gave a species name who're responsible for turning the Federation from trying to help we can. To fuck all of you who're too primitive to figure one very specific form of space travel.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Probably in some alternate timeline Worf was traveling through. In DS9 though, they don't join, but they might as well have with Grand Nagus Rom's labor reforms.
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My head canon is that the business leaders of Ferenginar very quickly Epstein'd Rom and replaced him with someone more competent similar to The Business Plot. There's no way they'd let an autistic retard married to a former whore have any kind of power.

And all this talk about how the Federation is liberal can be summed up in one phrase: Eddington was right.
 
Uranus Pink said:
The Federation and the treatment of the Prime Directive during Kirk's time in TOS and movies was hell of a lot different than what they morphed into when Picard became captain of the Enterprise D. As Kirk and crew wouldn't be doing a ship wide fapping session when some pre-warp species is about to be wipe out of existence. Kirk and Enterprise are capable of saving them. As opposed to Picard who'll happily stand aside watching a pre-warp species he could've save go extinct.

Since Star Trek never even gave a species name who're responsible for turning the Federation from trying to help we can. To fuck all of you who're too primitive to figure one very specific form of space travel.
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It would have been interesting to have a storyline where just because the Federation didn't help someone out, doesn't mean the Romulans or the Klingons or Ferengi wouldn't...

"Sure we'll help you out. But then you're going to spend a few generations working off the debt..."

We had one TNG episode about a "bidding war" with a planet. Sadly most of it was taken up by a stupid Troi love triangle with the guest star of the week. I'd also love to see a story where there's "bidding" over a new species. i.e. "Sure your Federation sounds nice, but the klingon culture makes more sense to us and we really like their bloodwine."
 
Flexo said:
"Sure your Federation sounds nice, but the klingon culture makes more sense to us and we really lik
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"Oh no your civilization just had a catastrophe that only the Federation can solve and the Klingons are having a civil war again. Better go with the Federation." -The Federation
 
Flexo said:
It would have been interesting to have a storyline where just because the Federation didn't help someone out, doesn't mean the Romulans or the Klingons or Ferengi wouldn't...
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This is where the ENT: Dear Doctor would've been great plot thread to be tied later had the series not been canceled. As Phlox and Archer's decision to let a sentient species die out because Phlox observe only one autistic member of the another sentient species exhibiting signs of limited learning abilities.
 
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