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Did anyone watch the new season of Prodigy? It was released in France, apparently you need a VPN to watch it and it's in French with no subtitles. Maybe that's why the kids are watching Skibidi toilet instead of Trek.
 
What is the consensus for best era of Star Trek on the site? Speaking of DS9 that would have to be my favorite with TNG, OG, and then Enterprise.
 
TNG, DS9, ENT, VOY. TOS I put in a class of its own because it’s so different. DS9 is technically my favorite, but it’s less serial than TNG or Voyager so it lends itself less to just throwing a random episode on at night which is how I consume Trek these days.

I used to praise the season-long storylines that DS9 started, but at this point every TV series treats seasons as one long movie. Instead of having to come up with a season’s worth of good stories lazy writers just come up with one overarching narrative and use it as an excuse to make half the season boring filler.

Just write a dozen self contained episodes with their own conflicts and resolutions, if one’s a dud there’s still 11 more. If the culmination of your season-long story stinks I’m probably not going to sit through another entire season waiting to see if you shit the bed or not again.
 
What is the consensus for best era of Star Trek on the site? Speaking of DS9 that would have to be my favorite with TNG, OG, and then Enterprise.
Star Trek is the sort of thing you will never really get a consensus on; it all depends on your preference honestly. Most of it is tiers for me then personal mood.
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TNG/TOS/DS9 are all top tier stuff, you won't go wrong, then comes the mid tier, TAS (the animated series, cartoons but voiced by the og TOS crew, and were very expensive to make at the time) it gets overlooked a lot but it's very much a nice bit of follow up to TOS. VOY, which builds very slow, but once 7 of 9 shows up it gets better. ENT was a pretty hit or miss show, the ending was dogshit and the entire thing was rushed. Most trekkers don't even consider the new stuff or the newer era movies to even be cannon or worth the watch. The movies weren't too bad, they have interesting stories, mostly.


Just write a dozen self contained episodes with their own conflicts and resolutions, if one’s a dud there’s still 11 more
yeah, trek does a few episodes like this, i think maybe 25 or 30 overall? Pretty good glimpse into the show without having to watch the entire thing.

 
TAS (the animated series, cartoons but voiced by the og TOS crew, and were very expensive to make at the time)
I avoided TAS for a long time because I assumed it was gonna be Scooby Doo or Jabberjaw with phasers, but it’s actually pretty much just TOS with the benefit of being able to draw effects and aliens instead of putting a dog or a guy in a costume.
 
I avoided TAS for a long time because I assumed it was gonna be Scooby Doo or Jabberjaw with phasers, but it’s actually pretty much just TOS with the benefit of being able to draw effects and aliens instead of putting a dog or a guy in a costume.
I was lucky enough to have a star trek obsessed girlfriend a few years ago, she had me watch 'sagas" that were very similar in the different series, and we watched a few of TAS episodes that tied in. We ended up going back and watching the entire series the first few months of covid when we both stuck inside during early covid stuff, two solid months of trek with a deeply autistic level fan worked out well.
 
Star Trek is the sort of thing you will never really get a consensus on; it all depends on your preference honestly.

I think there's a generational aspect, too. A lot of Trek people are naturally drawn to whichever Trek was on during their formative years.
 
I avoided TAS for a long time because I assumed it was gonna be Scooby Doo or Jabberjaw with phasers, but it’s actually pretty much just TOS with the benefit of being able to draw effects and aliens instead of putting a dog or a guy in a costume.
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they should have done a bit in Ent where they have to disguise Archer's dog

but yeah TAS is best left as a pleasant surprise, a lot of the scripts could have used an extra pass or two to make sure they got the Trek jargon right and other odds and ends, but it's still really the TOS gang doing their thing, and Trek lends itself well to people talking and walking and not much else as the actions
my faves are probably TOS and TNG
I like DS9 but I find it's a very good scifi war story that takes place in the Trek setting, but it's a little ehh as far as Boldly Going and so forth
 
Did anyone watch the new season of Prodigy? It was released in France, apparently you need a VPN to watch it and it's in French with no subtitles. Maybe that's why the kids are watching Skibidi toilet instead of Trek.
I thought it was cancelled with no season 2? What's the story behind the show, anyway? From what I saw it didn't feel like Star Trek and felt more like a show that was mostly done but was remade into a Trek show.
 
I thought it was cancelled with no season 2? What's the story behind the show, anyway? From what I saw it didn't feel like Star Trek and felt more like a show that was mostly done but was remade into a Trek show.
Season 1 seemed a lot like Star Wars to me, at least at the beginning. Gwyn may as well be wielding a light saber and her father and his assistant robot might as well be Darth Vader and General Grievous.

Season 2 was planned for Paramount+ but was cancelled, but CBS got Netflix to pick it up. Netflix hasn't released it in the US or in English yet.

Season 2 was released in France due to a miscommunication, but last I checked it was still on france.tv. You need a VPN to stream it, and there are no subtitles or English dub.

Spoilers follow. Hopefully I got everything right, and I did leave a bunch of stuff out, but don't click the spoilers unless you're sure you want to.

Spoilers: Season 1 had the kids escape a child slave labor colony in an experimental spaceship, the Protostar, that the Federation had lost, and which Chakotay had been captain of. Janeway's crew on the Dauntless detect that it's jumping through space again, so Janeway, now a rear admiral, returns to the Delta Quadrant to find if Chakotay is still alive. She initially assumes the kids are pirates or murderers or something like that but, learning that they are child refugees, eventually gets them to Earth and agrees to train them as warrant officers. The Protostar is destroyed, along with a holographic version of Janeway who had been training the kids to run a spaceship because the hologram couldn't fit on their USB drive. Chakotay turns out to be stuck in the future, but was able to send a couple messages back.

Season 2, episode 1, which I watched in French, a language I don't speak, starts with a new spaceship, which is bigger than Voyager and the Protostar, and which is led by Janeway. The EMH from Voyager shows the kids around the ship. Before long they're out near Mars, you can see the polar ice cap. Dal complains that he has to actually read books and study. I think Janeway said some of the books belonged to Picard. Rok-talk is eating normal food instead of nutri-goop, and appeared to be teaching a class on science or math. She got to see what I think was cetacean ops judging by the sounds. Jankom Pog doesn't get along with Dr. Noum, but that's just how Tellarites are. Zero kept looking at his hands, which have been upgraded from the old ones that were all janky, so I think he might still be uncomfortable with the new ones. At the end, the kids learn there is a cloaked ship in the cargo bay. Only Janeway and two other members of the bridge crew are shown to have previously known about it.


It's sad that the release of both seasons was botched, plus the action figures and video game. The idea was to make a Star Trek show that kids could get into and watch with their parents. The video game actually lets you put in a code from action figures to get in-game stuff, but they weren't released at the same time as the game. And the first season was released at 3:00 AM EST, on school nights, with a long hiatus between the first and second half. Now the second season is only viewable to French people and weirdos like me who have a VPN and use it to watch a show for kids.
 
The initial impression I got from Prodigy (purely from the promos, I didn't watch that shit) was that it was a shitty ripoff of Space Cases. They even got fucking Nickelodeon involved.

Now... I actually liked Space Cases, mostly because I have nostalgia for it. They actually got George Takei as a recurring villain, years before he became a massive faggot.

Is that about the gist of it?
 
I wonder if we have any actual TOS fundies here. I'm close. I'm pretty much TOS/TNG and everything after is crap.
Not old enough to have watched TOS when it was originally on TV in the 60's but I saw it in syndication in the late 70's and early 80s.

I was probably the target audience age wise for TNG when that came out in the mid 80s, but I tried watching the first few episodes and I found them boring and very derivative of TOS themes and characterization. Over the years I caught a few decent TNG episodes, but pretty much gave up on the franchise outside of the TOS.
 
The issue for me is that they made it too goofy and plus the whole thing with the whales doesn't really make that much sense. Plus the soundtrack for it is weird.
The "Saving the Whales" thing was in vogue at the time... blech. Fuck them whales.

Social commentary has always been a thing in Star Trek. It just got more blatant and hamfisted as the years went by.

@XYZpdq Jr. I really haven't watched too much of TAS as I can't get past the extremely limited animation. Animation costs skyrocketed since the late 30's (thanks Animator unions) but quality went into the shitter. As I recall, the TAS episodes were written by the original TOS writers, so I'm not sure why jargon would be off. Maybe at that poin t, they just didn't give a shit.
 
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the TAS episodes were written by the original TOS writers, so I'm not sure why jargon would be off. Maybe at that poin t, they just didn't give a shit.
Trek writers aren't Trek fans (well, maybe DC Fontana...) so they don't memorize all the space speeds and space miles and space gallons and shit.
That's what a series bible is for so you check back on what the jargon is supposed to be, and everybody does a few passes of proofreading and rewrites.
When it's a more hustled production you get some goofs.
 
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The initial impression I got from Prodigy (purely from the promos, I didn't watch that shit) was that it was a shitty ripoff of Space Cases. They even got fucking Nickelodeon involved.

Now... I actually liked Space Cases, mostly because I have nostalgia for it. They actually got George Takei as a recurring villain, years before he became a massive faggot.

Is that about the gist of it?
Leave George Takei alone........plus the real "massive faggots" (and losers) are the subhuman Kiwi Farms scum
 
I was probably the target audience age wise for TNG when that came out in the mid 80s, but I tried watching the first few episodes and I found them boring and very derivative of TOS themes and characterization.
Season 1 is popularly considered to be a practice run for the real show. It was Roddenberry creating his "ideal vision" of the future, after decades of becoming increasingly weird in the wilderness, so it was completely devoid of interpersonal conflict or any real, human behaviours from the main cast and had a lot of not-very-subtle references to weird sex stuff. He was kicked upstairs to a senior producer role for the start of season 2, then Rick Berman came in as producer for season 3 forward, and the show improved remarkably both times (Dr Pulaski notwithstanding).

Are you aiming for an achievement of being a massive faggot on every single thread on the farms?
He is, but it's hard to do.
 
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