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Evil Peter Griffin said:
Is it worth watching now? Cause I saw some episodes from season 1 and I hated the main characters.
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They reign in the black girl a bit as time goes on, but the white guy, green girl and brown guy get more annoying. The green girl especially.

They do a lot of that thing a lot of shows do now where they try to do serious storyline where they deconstruct comedy characters quirky behavior as a defense mechanism and I hate that shit.
 
Lower Decks was described to me as Rick and Morty trek, and from the small amount of it I've seen, that's apt enough. I finally gave ENT a chance, and it's watchable, but not great. I'm about 5 episodes from the end.
 
I havent watched Lower Decks yet, but I can see why it's getting cancelled. It seems like the real value of the show comes from being familiar with the setting, and that just feels like a really bad concept to base a show on. Some normie viewer not thoroughly into Trek won't care when the plot of an episode is "Holy crap Lois, it's [previous character] from, [previous series]. Also the "Adult Animated Comedy" genre needs to die in general. I know too many people that had their sense of humor destroyed by South Park and Family Guy. I'll probably get around to TLD eventually, it seems worth watching if you like Star Trek, which is more than can be said for the newer shit. The true and honest Lower Decks of my heart is the TNG episode and nothing will change that.
 
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zRayden940 said:
Oh ok, that makes sense, what pissed me off is they killed Trip off in the Last episode "These are the voyages".
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I mean to me the episode finishing the Terra Prime story is the real ending of ENT because we see the first step of what will become the Federation of Planets. The final episode (These are the Voyages) is what could have happened in a later season if the show had continued. The focus on fat Riker and Troi was a huge mistake.
 
Miller said:
I mean to me the episode finishing the Terra Prime story is the real ending of ENT because we see the first step of what will become the Federation of Planets. The final episode (These are the Voyages) is what could have happened in a later season if the show had continued. The focus on fat Riker and Troi was a huge mistake.
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Especially when it takes place during The Pegasus and not in a down-time episode. Riker's in a high stress situation between Picard and Pressman and he fucks off to the Holodeck to watch Archer and co.?
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Especially when it takes place during The Pegasus and not in a down-time episode. Riker's in a high stress situation between Picard and Pressman and he fucks off to the Holodeck to watch Archer and co.?
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Travoltron said:
Yeah, just skip the final episode of Enterprise and you'll be a lot happier.
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I do think it's worth catching, but yeah it's an ugly mess of "well, we had some cool ideas but we got cancelled. ROLL THE CLIPS"

also has anybody ever shooped up the end when he gives the speech so you see Al in the background and then he Leaps out?
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
I do think it's worth catching
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I don't. I warned my mom not to watch the finale on her Blu-ray set. She did anyways and told me I was right after all.
The only way to watch that episode is fitting it in chronologically on a TNG binge. Maybe. Just disconnect it from Enterprise and look at it as a terrible holodeck fantasy that Worf's kid concocted.
 
Travoltron said:
I don't. I warned my mom not to watch the finale on her Blu-ray set. She did anyways and told me I was right after all.
The only way to watch that episode is fitting it in chronologically on a TNG binge. Maybe. Just disconnect it from Enterprise and look at it as a terrible holodeck fantasy that Worf's kid concocted.
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tbh I find it more annoying for its TNG content than the Ent content
 
Travoltron said:
I don't. I warned my mom not to watch the finale on her Blu-ray set. She did anyways and told me I was right after all.
The only way to watch that episode is fitting it in chronologically on a TNG binge. Maybe. Just disconnect it from Enterprise and look at it as a terrible holodeck fantasy that Worf's kid concocted.
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I watched that episode recently as part of my tng watchthrough based on the chronology project ordering and yeah it is even weirder watching it immediately after TNG's "The Pegasus". I only saw the episode once previously when I went through a watchthrough of Enterprise a couple years ago.
 
Lone Wandering Courier said:
I watched that episode recently as part of my tng watchthrough based on the chronology project ordering and yeah it is even weirder watching it immediately after TNG's "The Pegasus". I only saw the episode once previously when I went through a watchthrough of Enterprise a couple years ago.
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I don't remember if Riker was in the holodeck before or after they went into the asteroid to hide. It'd be so much worse if they're inside since they're supposed to be silent running and trapped in a cave-in.
 
zRayden940 said:
Oh ok, that makes sense, what pissed me off is they killed Trip off in the Last episode "These are the voyages".
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JustSomeDong said:
Now I don't even want to finish Enterprise. Trip is one of the more likeable characters.
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I like how they had a whole novel where nog and jake debunked that as a faked death so trip could go undercover.


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I can't remember what book it was so have badass random cover.
 
Ok now I'm kind of interested if there's any cool books about Malcolm Reed in section 31.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I don't remember if Riker was in the holodeck before or after they went into the asteroid to hide. It'd be so much worse if they're inside since they're supposed to be silent running and trapped in a cave-in.
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Given how the ENT episode ends, the entire episode would have to take place between Pressman coming aboard and Picard questioning Will about the Pegasus.
 
Quintex96 said:
Given how the ENT episode ends, the entire episode would have to take place between Pressman coming aboard and Picard questioning Will about the Pegasus.
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It's just a horrible idea regardless. Why they didn't place it after TNG, like say... Riker is a captain about to induct the 1000th planet into the Federation so he does this holodeck reflection on Archer and his adventures before he gave the speech that birthed the Federation so Riker can find the inspiration for his speech. Bam! Now you got a great capstone to like 2 decades of Trek entertainment.
 
Flexo said:
It's just a horrible idea regardless. Why they didn't place it after TNG, like say... Riker is a captain about to induct the 1000th planet into the Federation so he does this holodeck reflection on Archer and his adventures before he gave the speech that birthed the Federation so Riker can find the inspiration for his speech. Bam! Now you got a great capstone to like 2 decades of Trek entertainment.
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Yeah the idea of Roboteching the ideas for cool scenes isn't bad in theory, but that was handled badly
 
Flexo said:
It's just a horrible idea regardless. Why they didn't place it after TNG, like say... Riker is a captain about to induct the 1000th planet into the Federation so he does this holodeck reflection on Archer and his adventures before he gave the speech that birthed the Federation so Riker can find the inspiration for his speech. Bam! Now you got a great capstone to like 2 decades of Trek entertainment.
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At the time that episode came out, it been put out Will was doing the holodeck thing for his upcoming promotion and assignment to captain of the USS Titan. Hence the post TNG-DS9 looking Riker and Troi. This thread is the first time of me reading about this taking place during TNG and not after it.
 
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