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Zefram Cochrane giving Odo vibes there
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did it ever come up anyway? I always assumed they knew everything of course, but it had no relevance to the plot, just like they don't announce bathroom-breaks in character.
I mean they could've added some scenes or exposition one of them died etc. thus had to be replaced, but that's just detail most don't really care about and wouldn't really have added anything.
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For a mindless Hollywood action movie, it’s absolutely enough. And that’s what all the TNG movies are, dumb, often engaging action flicks, but you can’t fault fans of the show, which despite the much lower budget was very often smarter and more thorough, for wishing for a little more.
And if you’re going to criticize them for being sticklers over the manifest of the most important space flight of human history, I invite you to meet a Trekkie.
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and has been pointed out decades ago, they were not looking to make a 90 minute TNG episode for the big screen. complaining about "this isn't like the series" when it's not actually on tv in a different format, those smarter fans should know better than most people.
there's a difference between understanding that big screen movies play by different rules, even more when it's not even relevant. counsellor try never talks about her period in the series, does this mean betazoids have no menstrual cycle?
like I said they simply don't mention it, going OMG THEY DON'T MENTION IT SPECIFICLLY I NEED TO KNOW doesn't make you a trekkie, it means you're autistic. bazinga.
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The TNG movie that most reflects the TV show is Generations. Not that TNG can't translate to the big screen seeing as how All Good Things is also of similar length, but Generations had all kinds of weird marketing pressures that made it the way it is. The whole angle was to contrive a reason for Kirk and Picard to team up, so time travel? Well the D can't travel to the past cause it'll ROFL stomp most things and would essentially be Yesterday's Enterprise and the A or B can't travel forward cause now it's obsolete (as far as typical fans are concerned). Shatner wants to film in his cabin and ride a horse? Well, you can't say no to that.
Doesn't excuse the Nexus execution though. Or Picard trying to nag Kirk into helping. Or wasting Malcolm McDowell. Good actor and all, but the Duras Sisters are villains enough given that Soran was new.
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"Zefram Cochrane... is that you? What did you do to your hair?"
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The cabin didn't belong to shatner. But yeah that aside the whole thing was overly convoluted and was always going to be the way it was at best. If anything its a minor miracle it ended up as decent as it was given how shitty it could have been with all the requirements pushed on the production by the studio
Thats a good question, especially given andorians take this into account and have blue mouths and gumsobsdj said:
Well....sirtis is a greek woman........Involuntary Celebrity said:
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she sure is if you're watching in HD
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I feel what you're saying, but Star Trek Insurrection literally felt like it could have been one of the season 7 (i.e. when they quit trying) episodes as a 2 parter. In fact, it shares a great deal of plot with the Season 7 episode "Journey's End", only I think Picard made the wrong choice both times.
Fuck the Baku, they weren't even indigenous to the planet that was granting them eternal life. And the Federation was at war with the Dominion at the time and could have made much better use of a recovery planet than a bunch of fucking space hippies. But for some reason the Enterprise crew support the greedy baku, even though they were ordered not to..
In the episode Journey's end, Picard and crew tried to forcefully remove a bunch of Indians from the planet that they were forced to settle on because the Federation told them to, all in order to appease the evil Cardies(at first). Of course Picard and crew side with the Cardies. They follow orders on this one, even though it's wrong.
The worst crime of that episode is that it made Wesley Crusher look like the reasonable one. And then he went off with the child molester alien at the end of it. @_@
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Insurrection is worse than Journey's End. Not just in a budget sense, but in a story sense too. The Baku are disgusting pacifists that rely on Picard and the Crew to protect them. When you've got Crusher and Troi protecting you with guns, maybe you're a lazy piece of shit for not fighting. The Baku were about 600 people, so it introduces a massive plothole as to why the Son'a can't just set up another town on the other side of the planet, and of course, the obvious question of how they lost to a bunch of Amish people when they have the spaceships and drones and the Doctor Evil super weapon orbiting the planet. All these action tropes is what makes Insurrection not have the feel of a TNG show. Generations, by literally being written at the same time as Season 7, is closer to the tone of the show, even though the movie itself sucks. It doesn't have characters go out of character via second adolescence or Stewart's fiat.
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To put your dick in.
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@Drag-on Knight 91873 I wasn't claiming Insurrection was good, I think I may hate it more than Nemesis even, just that it was the TNG movie most like an episode of the TV show, mainly because it stole most of the plot from one.
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On a production level, it isn't though; it's more like a cheaper version of First Contact. Generations looks like a made for TV movie because that's what it is.
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This guy makes some good points about starfleet academy. These people are fucked
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Locarno was right to go off the script. As Riker said, "If you want to get ahead, you have to get noticed." Well, that's exactly what he did and got some chump killed. Which as it turns out, is a command decision to make.
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I have watched 60 seconds of this and it already sounds like he slept through the Wesley academy exam episode.
- Wes's score suffered (because he finished slower) from helping the blue guy, but the instructor was clearly impressed (it's a bit of fakeout drama in the ep as though they wouldn't give you bonus points for acting like a perfect fucking Starfleet officer) and later explicitly says this was taken into account but the blue guy still edged him out slightly overall.
- Wes didn't kill anyone in the psych exam, and he didn't get points for "feeling bad about it." He got points for making a decision on his feet despite the moment being his worst fear. The instructor also explicitly says this, and that there was no right answer, just that he needed to act.
- Wes didn't start a fight "based on someone's race", the other guy started it and Wes did the culturally sensitive thing to his species in saying 'fukka you' back and he loved it. This ain't a subtle plot point either, and if he means the other guy would be allowed to act like that in Starfleet... it's a fucking exam.
Obviously Starfleet is dumb and makes no sense because 95% of their policies are for plot convenience but c'mon, how can you be talking about stuff from 1988 and not be at minimum at least as autistic as this post.
Edit: okay now I'm 10 mins in and yeah he did sleep through it based on how he repeatedly criticises it by wondering out loud how others would do in tests that are--and this is a major, repeated point in the episode--tailored to the individual.
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