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To inverse this question, who from DS9 is least based? My vote goes to Quark for his episode where he turns MTF, and the one where he falls for a pooner.
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In the words of the man himself, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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Zek is the Ferengi equivalent of a boomer jew who uses his influence to destroy his own society's traditional values and leaves scorched earth behind because he's old and no longer cares. Cringe.
Jake is a little bitch but voting for the kid characters is cheating so I'll skip him.
Keiko is a frigid thundercunt and just about every scene with her is painful. Given that during the entire show she's got one of the most based characters (Miles) firmly under her heel and makes his life hell, I guess Keiko "wins".
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I am going with Kira since most of her conflict revolves around "muh Bajor" or "muh occupation" and Rom for buying into fucking commie gobbledygook.
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I was actually hoping for a follow-up episode with Pel. Quark seemed to genuinely like her, despite his opinions on the roles of female Ferengi in society. Once the market was open to women, I'm surprised she didn't come back. His obsession with Dax got annoying by the end.
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Pretty sure Quark was in drag for the money. Not exactly based by itself, but it's also balanced out by comparing the Federation to Root Beer, which is very based. Yeah, I'd have to agree Rom is the most pozzed. Dude might as well by Kamala Harris for introducing communism into the Ferengi Alliance. By introducing females into the marketplace completely, the effective value of Ferengi labor got halved and employment is harder to get because of suddenly doubling the labor pool. Labor Unions are just guilds by another name and gatekeep otherwise capable workers.
I mean, I'd simp for Dax too. Either of them.
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Found this panel in the Gundam SEED Astray manga
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Was George Floyd a Starfleet captain from the future? He had to swallow that fentanyl in order to maintain the timeline.
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Ok, buddy and I were talking, and we had a crazy idea I know only the autists here would care about...
Remember how Kes returned later to Voyager and does this whole episode of time traveling and selling out Voyager to the Viidians?
Well... the character turn of Kes never really made much sense. So we got to talking: what if it involved the Borg?
Kes threw Voyager onto the other side of Borg space then "vanished". What if the incident got the Borg's attention and they ended up hunting down the Ocampa? Such a fate would probably really anger Kes and set her on a path of revenge... and what if she was caught by the Borg and transformed into a new queen? (yeah, I'm not real fond of the BQ either - but in this case you'd have an excuse of her massive psychic powers)
Then she could be like Sela and be a reoccurring enemy of Voyager appearing over and over through the series. This would also give more weight to Endgame where you could at least justify the extra back and forth between Janeway and the Borg Queen as them having a history. We could even give some tension in the episode as we don't know if future Janeway is there to save Kes, or kill her.
(Yeah I know the actress' real life troubles would have made it different, but setting that aside...)
Remember how Kes returned later to Voyager and does this whole episode of time traveling and selling out Voyager to the Viidians?
Well... the character turn of Kes never really made much sense. So we got to talking: what if it involved the Borg?
Kes threw Voyager onto the other side of Borg space then "vanished". What if the incident got the Borg's attention and they ended up hunting down the Ocampa? Such a fate would probably really anger Kes and set her on a path of revenge... and what if she was caught by the Borg and transformed into a new queen? (yeah, I'm not real fond of the BQ either - but in this case you'd have an excuse of her massive psychic powers)
Then she could be like Sela and be a reoccurring enemy of Voyager appearing over and over through the series. This would also give more weight to Endgame where you could at least justify the extra back and forth between Janeway and the Borg Queen as them having a history. We could even give some tension in the episode as we don't know if future Janeway is there to save Kes, or kill her.
(Yeah I know the actress' real life troubles would have made it different, but setting that aside...)
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Ehh the pah wraith dukat connection kind of makes sense. Its the execution they fucked up on. I mean one of the main themes of the series is that dukat and sisko mirror each other in alot of ways, right down to neither being entire good or entirely evil. Dukat had it in him to be a better person and chose not to, but flirted with it at times, while sisko had it in him to be a far darker person, which he showed several times but always ended up reigning it in. Their histories and lives are very similar, right down to having commanded the same post. It kind of fits that the mirror of sisko, being the prophets emissary would end up being the pah wraiths emissary
Again, its the execution they fucked up on and not really fleshing out the prophets or the pah wraiths enough during the series to actually build up a decent conclusion to that story (though thats not all that surprising either and is a running theme in itself given the entire reason for sisko to have been there at all was to facilitate bajor being brought into the federation, which never ends up happening and is never really addressed at all after a certain point)
That said, I would have made the ending, such as it is something of a twist ending. Rather than have things go the way they did in the finale I would have had it set up so it ended up being the pah wraiths fucking over dukat and using him as a useful idiot then making winn their emissary as a fuck you for his narcissism and hubris. He's exactly the kind of person who would end up having something like that happen to them, what with the jim jones cult and its even hinted at with them blinding him for getting a little too curious what was in that book
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I like this idea but it wouldn't make much sense because Winn is pretty much just as bad as Dukat is and they know that.
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Yeah I think they did enough twists with Winn poisoning Dukat as a "sacrifice" for the Pah Wraiths - but then them twisting the knife and bringing him back to life anyway is a very devilish thing to do.
@WonderWino That is Starfleet's reason for having Sisko there and frankly Bajor is more or less in the Federation by the finale in all but name anyways. The Prophets want Sisko there to protect Bajor and the Bajorans. They don't really give a shit beyond that and only begrudgingly (and with a price) help him when he is about to commit suicide fighting the Dominion fleet.
A fight that would have almost certainly been followed up by the near certain conquest of the alpha quadrant, meaning the prophets don't actually care about the fate of the rest of the galaxy or who rules what as long as Bajor and the Bajorans are protected.
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Really makes you wonder if the Prophets really are the good guys. Cause they're not all that great at protecting Bajorans either.
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By the end of DS9 I was pretty convinced they aren't. They aren't outright malevolent like the pah wraiths but their goals and methods are really questionable and the Bajorans probably give them more praise than they deserve.
It seems to me that they care about the Bajorans as a species, but are fully willing to sacrifice individuals to keep the species as a whole alive. Hence why they allowed the occupation and various individuals throughout DS9 proper to suffer and die because they knew in the long run it would allow the species as a whole to survive.
You have to remember that they see past, present and future as one. So they know what has happened, what is happening and what will happen all at the same time. Their "guidance" has to be viewed from that lens to understand that they know the consequences of their own actions before they have even made them. Though it appears that Sisko and a select few others have some ability to break from their desired future (so free will is apparently still a thing), though the prophets appear to adapt quickly enough to such changes and have back up "futures" they are willing to tolerate.
And yeah, the Bajorans believing the prophets are genuinely loving is probably wrong. But the Bajorans have undoubtedly survived as a species this long without being demolished by the greater powers surrounding them because of the prophets guidance/pseudo protection. So they do deserve some credit.
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