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If you can gamble with it, it's got enough gold in it.
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Electabuzz of pocketmons sorta looks like a lightning-themed Kzinti.
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Finished ENT today. I skipped the final episode because I've heard plenty of times that it's even worse than Voyager's ending and I don't care to repeat that kind of disappointment. But otherwise it was a pretty damn solid show and definitely much better than Voyager, contrary to my expectations.
T'Pol and Phlox are incredibly precious and also based and every scene with them is great. The human cast is less interesting but compared to other Treks the humans are generally less up their own ass "enlightened" and have more down-to-earth character flaws which spices things up on many occasions. Reed is way too autistic about his job and also a fucking incel (lol) but in a realistic way. You can totally imagine having a guy like this in your own workplace. Tucker is as subtle as a falling rock and seeing him interact with T'Pol gets painful at times but then you remember he's just a southern boy and you start to understand. Archer feels like a less experienced white Sisko. For better or for worse the human condition aboard the Enterprise NX-01 is more believable compared to many of the other series.
I also enjoyed the variety of longer story arcs interspersed throughout the run. It was nice to see that the writers didn't restrict themselves to the typical double episode format and felt free to write things out past those boundaries when it was called for. OTOH the Xindi arc felt a bit devoid of depth to span an entire season, the pacing felt too slow most of the time and then suddenly ramped the fuck up in a rather rushed and chaotic ending, and I was pretty glad when it was finally over.
Watching TOS next, finally.
T'Pol and Phlox are incredibly precious and also based and every scene with them is great. The human cast is less interesting but compared to other Treks the humans are generally less up their own ass "enlightened" and have more down-to-earth character flaws which spices things up on many occasions. Reed is way too autistic about his job and also a fucking incel (lol) but in a realistic way. You can totally imagine having a guy like this in your own workplace. Tucker is as subtle as a falling rock and seeing him interact with T'Pol gets painful at times but then you remember he's just a southern boy and you start to understand. Archer feels like a less experienced white Sisko. For better or for worse the human condition aboard the Enterprise NX-01 is more believable compared to many of the other series.
I also enjoyed the variety of longer story arcs interspersed throughout the run. It was nice to see that the writers didn't restrict themselves to the typical double episode format and felt free to write things out past those boundaries when it was called for. OTOH the Xindi arc felt a bit devoid of depth to span an entire season, the pacing felt too slow most of the time and then suddenly ramped the fuck up in a rather rushed and chaotic ending, and I was pretty glad when it was finally over.
Watching TOS next, finally.
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Archer always struck me as a bit of a naive idealist, who wanted to project a certain image when he thought it was important, but couldn't quite pull it off. You can see the switch between when he's speechifying and when he's just talking normally; It feels like Bakula portrayed him as a bad public speaker, who had to live up to all sorts of family and historical legacy and was a bit out of his depth in that arena. Kind of annoyed me the first couple of times, but then I realised what they were doing and it all sort of fell into place.
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I thought Tucker got way too much screen-time relative to his character's importance. I get he has to be the fish out of water, but the cast is mostly fish out of water anyways. Even Mayweather can serve as a fish out of water because he's actually not that experienced in deep space. Reed could have been cooler if he was a MACO guy, as that would parallel the difference between Marines and Navy and he and Archer could butt heads over commando raids and deepen the split, so he's more inclined to listen to Section 31.
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I thought it was weird that he was commander and outranked Reed. After I got a bit more acquainted with Reed I began to understand, but generally the split of importance between the main cast was a bit odd.
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I don't know, there was something always just a little off about phlox, like he was a tad iffy as a doctor morally and ethically speaking. I always got the impression that under the right circumstances he could be a pretty sketchy person and that he was probably the closest to his mirror counterpart than any of the other crew. As in he was kind of like alot of ww2 era doctors. Between the professional interest in shit, the personality types that tend to be attracted to the profession in general and the fact doctors are trained to be detached from and objective toward their patients, it creates a weird situation where you end up with people that could be perfectly nice, normal people who treat patients to the best of their ability but then you turn around and put them into a place like dachau or auschwitz and that same person ends up doing some pretty questionable shit because of those same traits and the circumstances of their environment providing lots of 'research material' in a situation you wouldn't normally see them in. This is exactly what happened with people like mengele and many of the other doctors and university professors that did some really fucked up things they wouldn't have been otherwise inclined to do if the circumstances hadn't been what they were
So yeah, its just the vibe I got from phlox. He can be a little too professionally curious and a little too detached in some ways. Look what he did with the whole growing a clone to harvest brain tissue from and deliberately allowing a species to go extinct because he figured they were a genetic dead end when he could have cured their issue. Sure, he has his justifications for it, and so did mengele and rascher. So did the people running various vault experiments in the fallout universe. The medical profession attracts certain types of people that its wise to be at least a little wary of. I mean shit just look at recent events with the covid vaccine
I got the impression that archer was the kind of person who never really intended or really wanted the job he was in and kind of got thrown into it, with a bit of a jack of all trades master of none thing going on with the necessary skillset for his job. He tries to be diplomatic but he's not all that good at dealing with people, or really understanding them outside of his own crew. He kind of bullshits his way through situations in ways that frankly should have come back to bite him in the ass far more than they did. He also has a tendency to second guess himself alot which isn't a good trait to have in his position and for being a tad over reliant on what his crew tells him. Like t'pol. He's either overly antagonistic toward her or overly dependent on her despite the fact she's too stubborn about things for her own good and outright ignores things she doesn't accept or disagrees with, like the whole time travel thing. That shit skews her ability to be objective and to give good advice. Its also pretty questionable behavior for a vulcan. He also has a tendency to push his own views onto other species, and lets it affect his handling of situations even when bitching to his own crew about how wrong it is for them to do the same thingteriyakiburns said:
Yeah the writers screwed the pooch on the way things were between the cast, which is odd cause they didn't really do that in any of the other series for the most part. Granted they were clearly starting to run out of ideas by the time enterprise came along but still, it was like they never really decided how they wanted things to be focused. Though that seems to be a general theme through the series as a whole not just when it came to the cast and only really started to find its footing when it was close to being cancelled. As for reed I still don't understand how the hell someone like him ever got as far as he did, let alone into the position he had on the ship. He does not understand how to deal with people on any level, drives people nuts being around them for any length of time, gets autistic about his job in weird ways and was stupid enough to get involved with an organization like section 31, who likely exploited his whole sense of duty thing, which is a big can of worms in itself given he was in the royal fucking navy and can't swim. He absolutely comes off as the type of person who's easily manipulated and not really suited to the job he's inWTBOnlineFather said:
I'm still confused as to how archer even got command in the first place when there are literal admirals above him. What exactly did those admirals do to get their positions and rank if enterprise is the first ship that really went out there and did anything. You'd think one of them would have been slated for command of the ship before archer. Presumably they'd at least have some experience in the role in some lower tier ship
Also, ds9 summed up rather well
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yeah I liked that aspect of Phlox
not in a farms articles and hitlerings "lolbased nazi monsters" way but it was nice undercurrent to have that he's from a much more experienced race galaxy-wise and benign to humans (on this ship, for the time being)
but yeah the ending of Ent is kinda ass, but it's worth a look if you dumped all that time into the series
it's basically "oh shit, we're cancelled? okay... here's a bunch of cool ideas we had for the next few seasons, and we'll figure out a reason to string them together"
it's not an elegant solution by any stretch, frankly it makes Robotech look well-done
BUT it does have some cool bits that probably would have been really great in seasons 6 and 7
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Earth already has a significant space fleet at the time Enterprise is launched; it's just slow and relatively short-ranged. Admirals would have reached their position by time served and experience within that fleet. It's likely they also had some crossover from surface military organisations. That aside, there's no chance they'd send an admiral out in command of a single ship on a long-range mission that would take it well outside the fleet's normal area of operations. An admiral's responsibilities are at the fleet operational level, which requires him to be close by and in contact with the fleet as a whole, not gallivanting off across the galaxy.
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I think that's the point. He seems way too cool and jovial at first glance but then you learn Denobulan morals and social customs are totally alien and you can never tell what things he's capable of, or if you should even take his extraordinary friendliness at face value. I think without this added depth he'd soon become boring in spite of his quality dialogue and portrayal. One of the most interesting species in all of Trek imo, I wish they'd shown more about his people. I heard they planned to have an episode take place on Denobula later if the show hadn't been canned.
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Electabuzz even sorta sounds like Kzinti in the TAS episode.
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Remember when Spock was looking for gold in the past as though it was commonplace? I don't think they had replicators around then, so they've probably just mined tons of gold from different planets and every ship has some gold on board just like every airplane has a toolbox on board nowadays.
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No it was stated outright in the episode where Dukat plays poker.
The guy is biting the combadge to confirm that it's gold.
Yes I read the one about the crew.
No joke, there is a whole sequence where Harry Kim gets a best friend who is gay and is absolutely convinced Harry is gay. He gets really broken hearted when Harry meets Libby.
Hence why I always laugh hardest at SFDebris' gay-Ensign Kim jokes. Because they are pretty much spot on with what the writers had in mind.
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"Attention bajoran workers, I have depicted sisko as a soyjack."
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Why would it matter whether it's gold when you can just make gold? Maybe they have a ruleset or something on the replicators so you can't say "replicate me a forged gold badge." Or at least it will get reported if you do, sort of like the holodeck seems to have rules, even if it let Barclay do coom simulations of other crew.
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Perhaps real gold has impurities the holodeck can't replicate, which makes holodeck gold useless for electronics.