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Agreeably4263 said:
I was curious why O'Brien, an enlisted man, was the chief engineer for a critical space station. turns out the ds9 writers just wanted him to be enlisted, because on TNG he was an officer. Rodenberry wanted everyone on a spaceship to be an officer, like modern day astronauts. they just called him chief O'Brian on TNG becuase he was the transporter chief ,in the same way geordi was chief engineer. if you wanted you could make a silly retcon and say that his officers rank on the ship was a "field promotion" since all ship crews are officers, and when he got tranferred off to ds9 he went back to his original rank, but why bother? for that matter why bother making O'brian enlisted?
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UnKillShredDur said:
I don't know very much about current day military, but it does seem weird to me that the chief engineer of an entire space station, even one considered to be in the backwaters of space as DS9 originally was, should be so low ranked that he would have to salute an ensign like Nog... And yet O'Brien himself said that Nog would indeed outrank him if he became an officer.
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Chilson said:
Not that surprising. Chief engineer is still more of a civilian role than a military one and I imagine that the hierarchy was setup for military matters. Meaning that an ensign trained by Starfleet would probably have more military experience/training than most chief engineers. Therefore it makes sense that command would fall to an ensign rather than a Chief engineer should that become necessary.

Its not the case with O'brian since he is a veteran of the cardy war obviously and Nog is just a fresh ensign, but I imagine for most cases the chief engineers probably have never been in serious combat or even received military training and therefore Nog is higher up the chain than O'brian.
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Watching an episode of TNG yesterday, saw a part where O'Brien said he was tactical officer on another ship. Demotion?
On another subject, never watched "Enterprise". How does it compare to "Voyager", which I feel is ok, at best? Will download, if it's worth watching.
 
Count Grishnackh said:
On another subject, never watched "Enterprise". How does it compare to "Voyager", which I feel is ok, at best? Will download, if it's worth watching.
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The worst Enterprise episode is better than the worst Voyager episode. The theme song is pure kino. Give it a watch and remember it was made right after 9/11.
Hoshi > T'pol. don't @ me cuz you know i'm right.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Hoshi > T'pol. don't @ me cuz you know i'm right.
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Tell me you wouldn't want to be The Big Show right here,
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Watching an episode of TNG yesterday, saw a part where O'Brien said he was tactical officer on another ship. Demotion?
On another subject, never watched "Enterprise". How does it compare to "Voyager", which I feel is ok, at best? Will download, if it's worth watching.
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@Count Grishnackh Easy recommend, it is very much better than Voyager but overall weaker than TNG or DS9.

Its first two seasons are very slow and the crew don't really find their footing until the absolute kino that is season 3 where this show finally becomes great.

The Xindi war and the Enterprises mission into their system in Season 3 is what Voyager should have been. Season 4 is pretty good as well, but capped at the knees due to being cancelled and holy shit is the finale infamously terrible.

Overall, definitely worth a watch.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
She's hot and all but she only wants to fuck every seven years. Hoshi would also laugh at my cunning linguist joke.
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Eh. I almost see your point... Maybe if it was Mirror Hoshi.

Chilson said:
Not that surprising. Chief engineer is still more of a civilian role than a military one and I imagine that the hierarchy was setup for military matters. Meaning that an ensign trained by Starfleet would probably have more military experience/training than most chief engineers. Therefore it makes sense that command would fall to an ensign rather than a Chief engineer should that become necessary.
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I thought about this more and I don't like it. When the fucking ship's councilor is an officer, ranked higher than the majority of the crew even, despite how little sense that makes (and despite being demonstrably incompetent in the role) I don't think it's a civilian/non civilian issue. (Why does the therapist need to be a military officer anyway?) This specific scene in TNG where O'brien and Troi are both on the bridge comes to mind.
You aren't going to tell me that Troi is more qualified to lead in this situation than O'Brien would have been, despite greatly outranking him. Hell, I would trust the random gold shirt to lead over Troi.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Eh. I almost see your point... Maybe if it was Mirror Hoshi.


I thought about this more and I don't like it. When the fucking ship's councilor is an officer, ranked higher than the majority of the crew even, despite how little sense that makes (and despite being demonstrably incompetent in the role) I don't think it's a civilian/non civilian issue. (Why does the therapist need to be a military officer anyway?) This specific scene in TNG where O'brien and Troi are both on the bridge comes to mind.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VtjKb6u7_QUYou aren't going to tell me that Troi is more qualified to lead in this situation than O'Brien would have been, despite greatly outranking him. Hell, I would trust the random gold shirt to lead over Troi.
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Troi was there for a hot chick to be on the bridge and she had to be an officer to justify being on the bridge.

The TNG writers didn't really think beyond that and neither do I. Its bad writing, simple as that.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Eh. I almost see your point... Maybe if it was Mirror Hoshi.


I thought about this more and I don't like it. When the fucking ship's councilor is an officer, ranked higher than the majority of the crew even, despite how little sense that makes (and despite being demonstrably incompetent in the role) I don't think it's a civilian/non civilian issue. (Why does the therapist need to be a military officer anyway?) This specific scene in TNG where O'brien and Troi are both on the bridge comes to mind.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VtjKb6u7_QUYou aren't going to tell me that Troi is more qualified to lead in this situation than O'Brien would have been, despite greatly outranking him. Hell, I would trust the random gold shirt to lead over Troi.
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It's like how the HR lady somehow has authority when she really shouldn't.
 
Chilson said:
Troi was there for a hot chick to be on the bridge and she had to be an officer to justify being on the bridge.

The TNG writers didn't really think beyond that and neither do I. Its bad writing, simple as that.
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Wesley was allowed to be on the bridge long before he became an officer.

Come to think of it, you know who else was allowed to be on the bridge despite not being an officer?
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Yeah Ent is def worth trying. The last episode is rough where they throw together an excuse to blast through appx thirty five minutes of cool scenes from the last three seasons they won't get to make, but you get some cool bits
 
Are you guys really still sperging about NCOs? A quasi-military organization with non-commissioned officers? One of the more plausible things about trek?

I love you loony autistic fuckers. NCOs really are poorly defined/fleshed-out in trek.
 
JustSomeDong said:
Are you guys really still sperging about NCOs? A quasi-military organization with non-commissioned officers? One of the more plausible things about trek?

I love you loony autistic fuckers. NCOs really are poorly defined/fleshed-out in trek.
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"They do the dirty work. The work that no one else wants to do because it's too boring or hazardous."
 
Before I watched Enterprise, someone told me don't watch the last episode. They were right. It's awful. Insulting even.

The two parter beforehand with Peter Weller is great. Pretend it's the last one.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mgOZFny7F50
Paramount put out a video commemorating the 30th anniversary of Generations. If you like it I'd suggest making an archive of it now before it's taken down since it's unlisted and I've seen a couple of streams talking about it.
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Picard and Kirk are still in the Nexus. They have never left it because (as was stated in the movie,) you can't leave it voluntarily. The Enterprise D was destroyed on Veridian III, and the entire crew was killed.

Picard only imagined he left the Nexus because his logical mind wouldn't have let him enjoy a fake (if happy) scenario for eternity. So the Nexus allows him to contact Kirk in the Nexus, let's both men "leave" and defeat Clockwork Orange Guy, and lets Kirk "die" and "pass on", because Kirk wanted to be a big damn hero for one last time. The Nexus then lets Picard "reunite" with his crew and live out his life, because that is what Picard wanted. In reality, both men are still trapped in the Nexus, never catching on that the Nexus is creating the scenarios they both want to see.
 
Pokemon Conquistador said:
Picard and Kirk are still in the Nexus. They have never left it because (as was stated in the movie,) you can't leave it voluntarily. The Enterprise D was destroyed on Veridian III, and the entire crew was killed.

Picard only imagined he left the Nexus because his logical mind wouldn't have let him enjoy a fake (if happy) scenario for eternity. So the Nexus allows him to contact Kirk in the Nexus, let's both men "leave" and defeat Clockwork Orange Guy, and lets Kirk "die" and "pass on", because Kirk wanted to be a big damn hero for one last time. The Nexus then lets Picard "reunite" with his crew and live out his life, because that is what Picard wanted. In reality, both men are still trapped in the Nexus, never catching on that the Nexus is creating the scenarios they both want to see.
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Nah that's gay. Kirk got revived by a crazy romulan bitch with borg technology then retired to have a family with a Klingon/romulan babe on a Paradise planet after blowing up the borgs homeworld and stopping a Dominion plot to cripple the feds with a virus .Then some alien fanboy let him see his friend before he died.



Literally a better written bonkers idea then all of nu trek.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Tell me you wouldn't want to be The Big Show right here,
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Their attempts to make Star Trek "sexy" (started in Voyager IMO, unless you count the DS9 episode with the lesbian thing between Dax and the other trill) and expand their audience was pretty embarassing. Those decontamination scenes in ENT were too on the nose for me. (not that I wouldn't violate the prime directive with early 2000's Jolene Blalock)
 
WTBOnlineFather said:
fucking precious beyond belief
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Sorry is this good or bad? I think she's a great character and like O'Brien she constantly goes through trauma. Maybe not meme-worthy but in a more grounded, long-term way that she doesn't just bounce back from. As much shit as the chief experienced during Ds9, it seemed that it was only his experiences with the bloody cardies that really affected him long term.

Maybe that was because he died and got replaced by a time-clone though.
 
Of all performances in all Star Trek I never expected Jolene Blalock as TPol to be one of the best but it's true. Fake tits and lips and everything. Contrast her with the guy who plays Meriwether who although perfect face and GI Joe body has absolute zero charisma and should never have been on the show.

Eta. The charisma with her, Archer and Trip kind of makes me wonder what tos would be like with Capn Pike and Number One (and Spock) as the leads
 
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