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ToroidalBoat said:
What if those Borg were "upgraded" to have the bodies of Cybermen from Doctor Who, yet also otherwise had Borg abilities and technologies? Like Cybermen with a green light theme, Borg cube ships, Borg voices, the ability to adapt to weapons, and stuff like that? There was this one crossover comic where the Borg allied with the Cybermen IIRC.

(In Doctor Who, the Cybermen call assimilating "upgrading" BTW.)
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I'm not generally a comic book reader, but I read it a while back. Iirc, it was pretty good.
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Reinhardo-sama said:
>they made Garak and holo-Bashir super gay
Oh for fuck's sake. What happened to Bashir's tomboy-bellyworm-gf? If anything, they should have done that 35 years ago. Jesus fucking Chris. It's all so tiresome.
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The fact that people still defend the lower decks despite it being just as much of a dumpster fire as the rest of modern trek just because it member berries them is still sad to me.
 
Chilson said:
The fact that people still defend the lower decks despite it being just as much of a dumpster fire as the rest of modern trek just because it member berries them is still sad to me.
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It is what it is. We'll never get a good Trek show again; not until the post-modern nihilists have been all killed. I for one can't wait that long, however.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Didn't Andrew Robinson write a Star Trek novel about Garak and made him bi?
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Very possible. I think Ira Steven Behr also claimed many years after DS9 was finished that his original plan was for Garak to be gay, but pushback from B-B-BASED Rick Berman meant that wouldn't happen (this could all be bullshit from Behr who might just be making this up to score points with fags).

Regardless, making Bashir a fag now after DS9 had him chasing women like a horny dog for so many seasons is absurd.
 
Gregg Turkington said:
Regardless, making Bashir a fag now after DS9 had him chasing women like a horny dog for so many seasons is absurd.
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It's not Bashir from DS9. It's a holographic version from another reality as is Garak, hence the medical uniform. It could be worse, they could have made Nog and Jake gay lovers.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Didn't Andrew Robinson write a Star Trek novel about Garak and made him bi?
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Back in the late neolithicum, Robinson said in an interview he wanted to make Garaks gay as fuck. Which I on its own don't mind. Would have been interesting to see what they do with a Cardassian sexual deviant that was once a quite high ranking operative of what basically was the space-Gestapo. Where it falls apart for me is: Bashir. The guy chased Jadzia, Ezri and a whole lot of other women.

The only explanation they have here is "multiverse", which is the shittiest, laziest, most boring excuse you can have as a writer, right after time travel bullshit.
 
Gregg Turkington said:
DS9's legacy being thrown into the gutter by these revolting people
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I consider this a funneh joke and a massive fuck-you to the shippers because as gay-rak says himself it's so incredibly statistically unlikely as to be impossible, gay-rak and fag-shir was always entirely noncanonical only existing inside the minds of those afflicted by homolust and this confirms it. Inshallah we'll get a multiversal holocaust to bring peace to transportercloneoimler.
KEEP WINNING Lower Deckers.
 
Bashir is straight enough he kind of consent-accidented (let's be honest it was no accident) his mega-autistic patient once she got a semblance of "normality." It is as bad as the second tng episode with Leah Brahams that has Geordi still massively perving over her after she's all "ew you blind freak I'm married," and then finds out shes Geordi's personal spank bank, followed by them just chilling at 10-forward. Both those episodes portray rapey tendncies as positive qualities, two episodes of (real) Star Trek I find absolutely disgusting from an editorial perspective.
 
Fanatical Phrenologist said:
I never really sensed any chemistry between Garak and Ziyal. My headcanon is that Rick Berman made them a couple so he could say, "See? He's all man. You can stop writing us letters now!"
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My personal headcanon is that Garak is gay as Paul Lynde but bit the bullet and got with Ziyal just to stick it to Dukat.
I hope he found a nice guy to go anntiquing with after the Dominion War.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
It's not Bashir from DS9. It's a holographic version from another reality as is Garak, hence the medical uniform. It could be worse, they could have made Nog and Jake gay lovers.
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While I'm not a fan in putting gay shit in just because it's gay, as LD just did, from an in-universe standpoint it's justifiable. Both Garak and Holo-Bashir are from alternate universes, so it's possible that both are gay (or bi) while the prime universe Bashir is straight (though I could believe that Prime Garak is bisexual). And from a general wokeness standpoint, having a gay marriage in Star Trek in 2024 isn't that far off of having a negress, a russkie and a chingchong on the bridge of a starship in 1966.
Mound Dweller said:
I consider this a funneh joke and a massive fuck-you to the shippers because as gay-rak says himself it's so incredibly statistically unlikely as to be impossible, gay-rak and fag-shir was always entirely noncanonical only existing inside the minds of those afflicted by homolust and this confirms it. Inshallah we'll get a multiversal holocaust to bring peace to transportercloneoimler.
KEEP WINNING Lower Deckers.
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This is ultra-cope. The LD team straight up threw a bone to the 'BashirxGarak' gay shippers.
Cnut said:
Bashir is straight enough he kind of consent-accidented (let's be honest it was no accident) his mega-autistic patient once she got a semblance of "normality." It is as bad as the second tng episode with Leah Brahams that has Geordi still massively perving over her after she's all "ew you blind freak I'm married," and then finds out shes Geordi's personal spank bank, followed by them just chilling at 10-forward. Both those episodes portray rapey tendncies as positive qualities, two episodes of (real) Star Trek I find absolutely disgusting from an editorial perspective.
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Prime universe Bashir is straight (though more awkward than one would expect from a handsome military doctor). On a posting in a system ravaged by war, with a lot of interstellar traffic thanks to the wormhole, he would be able to pick up hash-nosed women and various alien travelers at will.

But Star Trek has always been bad at sex and relationships and Bashir was always kind of a nebbish who did stuff like form attachments to his patients (like Melora, the wheelchair-bound Starfleet officer from a low-gravity world) and women who weren't interested (like Jadzia Dax).

And Star Trek has been weird about sexual attitudes, like how Barclay could make a program where he assaulted some senior officers and had sex with other senior officers without any sort of official censure.
 
I watched the episode so you don't have to.
As others have said, it isn't even the real Bashir or Garek. It's a Garek from an alternate universe where he joined Starfleet as a Doctor, but seemingly was also a spy or something. And it's an EMH of Julien like the one they almost made in that one episode, from yet another alternate universe.
And they're married.
Get used to that fact, because aside from like one scene where Doctor Garek shows that he's probably also had spy training, *literally* neither of them talks to anybody else about anything else. At one point they argue over whose universe they'll be going back to after the episode is over. Thanks I hate it.

They're serving on a ship captained by the transporter clone of Boimler from the original universe, who is supposedly on assignment from Section 31 to figure out the deal with alternate universe rifts that have been in the rest of this season so far. I say supposedly, because his entire crew are all stated to be from different universes. The story as presented seems to be saying that section 31 sent him out to run an empty ship all by himself, and he just so happened to collect an entire multiversal crew while hopping through the multiverse after a mystery ship making the rips.

They also have alternate universe versions of T'pol (implied to have just lived this long, although she doesn't look any older than she did in Enterprise and is even wearing the same outfit.) And Curzon Dax, whom they've basically turned into the Bajoran security chief some reason. I looked it up because the guy who played Curzon had to be dead by now, and they even got the guy who voices the Bajoran security chief to voice this Curzon.

Apparently most of the crew are Harry Kims from alternate universes, which is a reference to the several times he's randomly survived in alternate universes.. I think... It was really dumb. Also, they made yet another reference to fucking Tuvix. At least it was from a character who would know who Tuvix was this time.

They also pick up a version of Mariner Sue who is an engineer, with completely the opposite personality from the original (so they say) but they still have to end up showing that she's still a badass.

Turns out the "villain" is an alternate Lilly from Star Trek First Contact, from a universe where she and Zefram Cochrane discovered multiversal travel instead of warp travel. But they seem to have warp travel as well, their ship being at least as fast if not faster than the modern day ship. (And no they didn't spring for James Cromwell.)

No idea why Lilly would still be alive 300+ years after First Contact. They don't ever say she traveled in time. Even T'pol is pushing it by still being alive, but at least she's a Vulcan so whatever.

Anyway, it turns out she didn't realize she was fucking up the multiverse and agrees to stop. Only for the *real* villain of the episode to end up being "the only Harry Kim in the multiverse to make it to Lieutenant". Which was pretty dumb, but got a bit of a chuckle from me.

His plan is fucking retarded though. He kidnaps all of the other Harry Kims (like 10 of them) and he's gonna take them back to his universe, against their will. In a broken ship that will destroy the entire multiverse if it goes through another rift. And all of the Harry Kim's just sit there, some of them even help man the consoles, despite not wanting to be there.

Look, I know Harry Kim is a weenie. But even I don't believe that like 10 Harry Kims couldn't take down 1 lunatic with a phaser. Especially when that 1 lunatic is also Harry Kim. Especially when the fate of the multiverse is on the line.

This is exactly what I mean when I said this show is like someone read and memorized a bunch of Memory Alpha pages, but never saw a single episode of the show. They know it's a meme that Kim should have been promoted but never was because "someone's gotta be the ensign". They know that T'pol, Curzon Dax and Lilly exist. They know there's an episode where they make an EMH out of Julien. They know there's a small but autisticly vocal section of the fandom that want Garek and Bashir to fuck. They know that fucking Tuvix exists.
But they don't know anything about any of these characters because this isn't Star Trek. It's a fucking fanfiction.

Of note, at one point early on Boimler says he's, "so sick of the fucking multiverse." Aren't we all buddy, aren't we all?
 
Gregg Turkington said:
Very possible. I think Ira Steven Behr also claimed many years after DS9 was finished that his original plan was for Garak to be gay, but pushback from B-B-BASED Rick Berman meant that wouldn't happen (this could all be bullshit from Behr who might just be making this up to score points with fags).
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In the 2019 documentary, Behr said how he wished that, after the events of The Wire, Garak had come-out to Bashir as a gay Cardassian.

Garak: the perpetual prevaricator. Every line dripping with subtext and innuendo. All of the sudden he's going to shed multiple layers of deceit and be completely explicit about this one thing.

Does Behr not realize that Garak's sexual ambiguity is part of his mystique? Would he prefer that the episode end like this?

BASHIR: But I still don't know which stories are true and which are lies.
GARAK: My dear doctor, they're all true.
BASHIR: Even the lies?
GARAK: Especially the lies... but in all seriousness, I am gay. That much is categorically true.
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