Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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I personally don't really care for V

Sure it's got some good moments but over all I find it to be the weakest of the true Star Trek movies.

I dunno...the God thing, Savok and his shtick and just the general kinda...why are we doing this again feeling kinda makes it meh for me.

Plus I find it a little too...slapstick. Too many silly moments that just seem off to me and I really hated the ending with Spock somehow getting the BoP captain to just agree to help out...really rather weak over all IMHO.

At least VI had Kirk doing something...fighting his hatred of the Klingon's and trying to find his place in the new world that was forming. But V? I dunno..it just didn't clap my cheeks.
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
It already gives me a brain aneurysm. Please, evil Janeway, shoot me-
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
I actually don't mind III. I liked most of it in fact and it feels like a very Trek sort of film with lots of good idea's and callbacks. Plus you know Kelly doing his best Nimoy impression is down right awesome. Why it gets hated on it always a bit beyond my understanding.
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III has a few problems e.g. the fake Saavik is an awful actress and the whole protomatter controversy isn't explained well at all but Christopher Lloyd basically set the standard for the portrayal of Klingons.

"I've come a long way for the power of Genesis, and what do I find? A weakling human, a Vulcan boy, and a woman." What a banger line.
 
Ialdabaoth said:
III has a few problems e.g. the fake Saavik is an awful actress and the whole protomatter controversy isn't explained well at all but Christopher Lloyd basically set the standard for the portrayal of Klingons.

"I've come a long way for the power of Genesis, and what do I find? A weakling human, a Vulcan boy, and a woman." What a banger line.
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Also the music is great, and the stealing the enterprise and prison break scenes are lots of fun.
 
Chilson said:
People really sleep on Undiscovered Country. Shit is still fire to to this day.
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Just rewatched it two days ago and I think it really holds up. Plummer's performance as Chang with all his shakespear quoting is so hammy and great at the same time.
A product of its time with its cold war allegories for sure.
Not Worf-Worf is the worst lawyer ever.
Also for a Star Trek movie, it really flies by, doesn't feel nearly as long as it is.
Overall a great sendoff for the old crew, but too bad Generations happend.

Also rewatched 4 yesterday and it's still a little amusing comedy romp, something of a pallet cleanser after 3 (which is honestly also pretty okay).
 
I'm quite enjoying Season 3 of Picard. I don't like his son's stupid accent and I wish they'd gotten rid of the ugly nigger lesbian, but other than that, it's been pretty good. I'm about 5 episodes in.
 
Sayer of the N-Word said:
There are going to be people entering the Hollywood biz soon who were born after the first Iron Man movie was released. There are generations of people who have consumed no fiction other than Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel movies, which are all "chosen one" plots filled with twee/soy dialogue carefully written so that people who are checking their phones every thirty seconds can still follow along. This is all they know, and they're convinced that this is all that the SF/F consumer wants, which is probably true.
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Are you implying we are decidedly moving along the start of a new counter-cultural cycle, where fringe writers with ideas start to appear as weeds show up on uncared pavement.
Because this is what history has shown will happen.
 
augment said:
Are you implying we are decidedly moving along the start of a new counter-cultural cycle, where fringe writers with ideas start to appear as weeds show up on uncared pavement.
Because this is what history has shown will happen.
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Eh, not in the Hollywood system. Fringe storytelling sources are going to be on social media because it's easier to get exposure and produce.
 
augment said:
Are you implying we are decidedly moving along the start of a new counter-cultural cycle, where fringe writers with ideas start to appear as weeds show up on uncared pavement.
Because this is what history has shown will happen.
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I haven't seen any new cycle starting. "New weird" is decades old now and never had a big impact on SF/F. The various -punk subgenres that followed cyberpunk were all brain dead at birth, and most conscious rejections of modern trends are mediocre and cringe works by conservatives who are imitating writers like Jerry Pournelle, or, in the world of comics, churning out nearly identical pastiches of the Justice League.
 
So it won't take years, it will take decades. It's still going to occur.
Everytime the mainstream decides to indulge in consumeristic slop, it never goes on forever. The time where every novel had to be a Dickensionian multi tome epic, the time where every comic book was either a western or a romance tale, the time where every TV show had to ripoff Cheers or Friends. By human nature, a subgroup of people always gets fed up with this and from them, eventually, asynchronically even, the alternatives pop up.
 
Iron Jaguar said:
I'm quite enjoying Season 3 of Picard. I don't like his son's stupid accent and I wish they'd gotten rid of the ugly nigger lesbian, but other than that, it's been pretty good. I'm about 5 episodes in.
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After Picard S2 and Discovery S5, I haven't had the stomach to even start this. These shows destroyed my love of Star Trek. I've had to work to rekindle it.
 
Another thing that I like about V is the camaraderie and how the movie acknowledges that this friendship in TOS was never between just Kirk and Spock (like Abrams/Kurtzman keep portraying it), but Kirk, Spock and McCoy. The movie could have served as a nice ending to that era.

Chilson said:
People really sleep on Undiscovered Country. Shit is still fire to to this day.
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To me The Undiscovered Country is on the top 3 of the best Trek movies.
A funny thing about the movie is that the scenes taking place in the President's office were shot on the Ten Forward set of TNG.

Van Darkholme said:
Just rewatched it two days ago and I think it really holds up. Plummer's performance as Chang with all his shakespear quoting is so hammy and great at the same time.
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The trial scene was pure kino.
Like you said, the movie was inspired by the events of the Cold War. It's a good example of writing allegories without looking like an agitprop (STD, Picard Season 2, etc.).
 
Chilson said:
People really sleep on Undiscovered Country. Shit is still fire to to this day.
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The dinner is one of the best scenes in the movie. From the clash of cultures to Kirk bringing up Hitler when Chang remarks how the Klingons "need breathing room" (complete with Spock giving a WTF look).

 
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