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Fatsuit Shinji said:
Yet Picard season 3 still done a major no-no for naval and Star Trek purists with the renaming of USS Titan-A to USS Enterprise-G. As renaming ships who're already in service is a massive no-go as bad things tend to happen to them and their crews. Secondly, the original USS Titan had earned that honor and privilege for its suffix plus letter to be carried over to a successor like with Enterprise have done with theirs.
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I'm just going to stroll by and casually mention that the second U.S.S. Defiant (NX-74205) was formerly the U.S.S. Sao Paulo (NCC-75633).

The Chief of Starfleet Operations cares not a whim for your silly, primitive superstitions. What are you, a Pakled?
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Shovel face or not, it's still worth smashing her just for all the times she owned Picard and made him squirm every time they're in the same galactic quadrant.
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Lwaxana has always reminded me of my batshit crazy (like, I really don't want to undersell this, she is literally fucking insane) grandmother. I love her, but that pretty much guarantees I'm never gonna think sexy thoughts about the character regardless. lol.
 
JustSomeDong said:
I'm just going to stroll by and casually mention that the second U.S.S. Defiant (NX-74205) was formerly the U.S.S. Sao Paulo (NCC-75633).

The Chief of Starfleet Operations cares not a whim for your silly, primitive superstitions. What are you, a Pakled?
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Quoting from Memory Alpha and the relevant part bolded.
The Sao Paulo was launched from the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards in late 2375, on stardate 52889.3. It was immediately assigned to Deep Space 9 as a replacement for the USS Defiant, which had been destroyed by the Breen when the Dominion retook the Chin'toka system. Upon taking command of the Sao Paulo on stardate 52891.3, Captain Benjamin Sisko received special dispensation from the Chief of Starfleet Operations to change its name to USS Defiant, in honor of the original.
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Changing the names of ships in the design phase, in construction and just commissioned right out of construction is mostly a nothing burger. Changing the names of ships already in service of the same fleet is bad form and juju. Especially a ship who is in the same club as the Enterprise.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Quoting from Memory Alpha and the relevant part bolded.


Changing the names of ships in the design phase, in construction and just commissioned right out of construction is mostly a nothing burger. Changing the names of ships already in service of the same fleet is bad form and juju. Especially a ship who is in the same club as the Enterprise.
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I think there were a few freshly commissioned ships that underwent "politically expedient" name changes and became known as "bad luck ships." The Sullivans (originally U.S.S. Putnam) was known as a bad luck ship early on in its service, and caught some hell in the Pacific, but still ended up with a fine record and decent service life, being decommissioned in the 60's.

The Chief of Starfleet Operations was probably a Vulcan or Tellerite or something, anyways.
 
U.S.S. Putnam was still in construction when FDR had her name changed to the U.S.S. The Sullivans

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The Sullivans was originally laid down as Putnam on 10 October 1942, at San Francisco by the Bethlehem Shipbuilding Corporation. She was initially renamed Sullivan until President Franklin Roosevelt changed the name to The Sullivans to clarify that the name honored all five Sullivan brothers.[2] The name was made official on 6 February 1943, and launched 4 April 1943. The ship was sponsored by Mrs. Thomas F. Sullivan, the mother of the five Sullivan brothers. The Sullivans was commissioned on 30 September 1943.[3]
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UnKillShredDur said:
Lwaxana has always reminded me of my batshit crazy (like, I really don't want to undersell this, she is literally fucking insane) grandmother.
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I been there and know that feeling.
UnKillShredDur said:
I love her, but that pretty much guarantees I'm never gonna think sexy thoughts about the character regardless. lol.
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Agree entirely on that.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
U.S.S. Putnam was still in construction when FDR had her name changed to the U.S.S. The Sullivans
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Yeah, I know. I was agreeing with you, and providing an example in support of what you said.
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Changing the names of ships in the design phase, in construction and just commissioned right out of construction is mostly a nothing burger.
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Did you forget you said this?
I dabble (read:sperg about) WW2 Pacific Theater, which means lots of books and memoirs. I've read that there were rumblings about the name change being an omen of bad luck, and despite that, the ship went on to a lengthy, full service life. It might have been in one of James D. Hornfischer's books.

Do you get your tism up every time they save the day just by "reversing the polarity" or, or is this whole "ship name change" thing your pet sperg issue, specifically?
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Sorry couldn't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing.
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Fair enough, sorry i called you a sperg.

And a pakled.

Like I said, the Chief of Starfleet ops is either smelly dumb xeno scum, or an "enlightened" strong, independent black woman24th century human who dont need no manprimitive superstition.

Remove the strikethroughs to apply to NuTrek.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
I don't have any primary sources for this, but Chuck implied that Rodenberry suggested the Yorktown was rechristened into the Enterprise after The Voyage Home.
Of course that isn't what they actually say in V, but I'm honestly ok believing that's what happened, as what's presented on screen makes Starfleet look even more incompetent.
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I'm reasonably sure that came from the novelization. But it could also just be a fan theory given that we're told in Trek 3 that the Enterprise was to be decommissioned. So like... if Constitution classes are being phased out (to the point the old girl is being retired) why would you have constructed a brand new one? Hence the theory it must have been a rebrand.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Lwaxana has always reminded me of my batshit crazy (like, I really don't want to undersell this, she is literally fucking insane) grandmother.
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"Monster-in-law" characters all are cut from the same cloth. Can’t get enough of the horizontal mambo.

It’s like every one of them is Judith Light from Who’s the Boss?
 
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Brain Problems said:
Picard season 3 sucked, I don't know who is so buckbroken by nuTrek that the slop we got can be elevated to the status of "good". Maybe just because 1 and 2 were so godawful it magically seemed better by comparison alone?
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Because it was a bunch of retarded fanservice and it was awesome, featuring at the very end the Ent-D going crazy and blasting thru a Borg cube. Also Shelby finally got what she fucking deserved (gangraped to death by borgs)

Space Police said:
They even used the last episode to retcon Discovery Klingons as an alternate universe. Strange New Worlds is the only good nutrek; Lower Decks is just stupid Rick and Morty soylent nonsense with Star Trek references. Let's just hope they don't make the Lower Decks guys in charge of Star Trek like Disney did with Furloni.
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I wish they'd just retcon Enterprise to be an alternate universe too. The last time I watched a bunch of Discovery clips Crewman Daniels was like the head of the Time Police or smth.
 
Brain Problems said:
Picard season 3 sucked, I don't know who is so buckbroken by nuTrek that the slop we got can be elevated to the status of "good". Maybe just because 1 and 2 were so godawful it magically seemed better by comparison alone?
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That's because Bad Robot's Trek started to bomb so hard; surprisingly, they did start to backtrack hard. Not completely, though, and that's the issue. I have heard good things about Picard season 3 and Strange New Worlds. I am still surprised that SNW tried to market itself as a return to optimism and has a competent straight white male lead.

But I'm skeptical because it feels like a Trojan Horse. Accepting Strange New Worlds by default also means accepting Star Trek: Discovery as canon along with all their nonsense. And Picard season 3, with all the questionable lore changes such as poverty being a thing again, all the eye gore, unlikeable woke characters, plus all the character assassinations everyone is already aware of.

Not that it was a complete 180-degree turn. Kurtzman quadrupled down on Star Trek: Discovery and Section 31. I doubt these changes were made in good faith; it feels more like desperation. Even if those were good changes, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled another bait-and-switch tactic. I guess I am waiting along with everyone else for good Trek to return and for both Kurtzman and Bad Robot to be gone for good. Only then I might believe it.
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
Also Shelby finally got what she fucking deserved (gangraped to death by borgs)
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You're killing me here. I'm getting seriously fed up with this trend of bringing back legacy characters just to kill them off. I didn’t even remember Shelby’s death—was that supposed to hit hard? Newsflash: it didn’t. And don’t get me started on Moriarty, firing a pistol like some wild west clown.
 
Captain Syrup said:
You're killing me here. I'm getting seriously fed up with this trend of bringing back legacy characters just to kill them off. I didn’t even remember Shelby’s death—was that supposed to hit hard? Newsflash: it didn’t. And don’t get me started on Moriarty, firing a pistol like some wild west clown.
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It made me laugh my ass off is what it did. Fucking bitch.

I mean she may not have died, she just screamed a lot while broadcasting to the entire Starfleet as they were all turned into borgs and shit.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
It made me laugh my ass off is what it did. Fucking bitch.
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Unbelievable to think that they were considering making her First Officer with Riker as captain.

The co-star who’s constantly belittling the lead is something you see too often in procedurals. There seems to be this belief that snark and constant bickering create drama, but it gets old fast.

Even if they tried to redeem those characters later on, it's hard to forget the first impression they made. Pulaski just couldn't rise above it.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Unbelievable to think that they were considering making her First Officer with Riker as captain. The co-star who’s constantly belittling the lead is something you see too often in procedurals. There seems to be this belief that snark and constant bickering create drama, but it gets old fast. Even if they tried to redeem those characters later on, it's hard to forget the first impression they made. Pulaski just couldn't rise above it.
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She was only belittling Riker when he was in the position she was gunning for. It was a personal challenge for his character arc to examine. Once Picard was kidnapped, and the positions shifted, things settled down. There's no reason to believe that had Stewart left and Riker/Shelby became the new captain/first that they would have had them constantly butting heads.

Heck that was conceptually a possibility for Voyager and the Maquis/Starfleet conflict didn't make it out of the first episode.
 
TBH, I would have prefered it if they had killed the "sheer fucking hubris" admiral. She holds the record for making me hate a character in just one scene.



The worst part is that the writers were likely cheering at her, thinking they had created a strong and independent woman who put Picard in his place or some other nonsense. Props to the actress, though; she nailed playing an unlikeable, hypocritical Karen character in a position of power in less than a minute.
 
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