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Chilson said:
The Gamma-Jem'hadar were probably like that too back when the founders were expanding rapidly and then were scaled back on their aggressiveness as they had them go around doing what was essentially security checks on the all the planets they had conquered.
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That's an interesting theory because we didn't get to see much of the Gamma quadrant. The Dominion didn't seem like an expanding empire at all. It was more like the Roman Republic, with planets providing tribute. The Tulaberry Wine Planet didn't even have any Dominion representatives stationed there and just received instructions via space radio.
 
Chilson said:
LMAO, they did it for the same reason as they did for DS9. As a ratings trap to help their floundering favored child and they kept bringing him back because Voyager kept needing the support.

Its kind of funny how it was the desperation for success in Voyagers banal showing that led them to pour ever more funds into Voyager, while DS9 was left pennies because it was too competently put together.

I can see why no one in Hollywood can do their job competently anymore (besides the fundamental fact that they are incapable of doing so of course). You get rewarded for being a fuck up, while the competent people are left to rot.
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Setting aside the fact that Janeway's hairdo came with a hefty price tag (riveting stuff), anyone who thinks that DS9 was somehow cheaper than VOY is fooling themselves.

If anything, DS9 got the financial glow-up. There's an old interview with Frakes where he grumbles about TNG’s seventh season being a half-assed mess because most of the budget was being funneled to Deep Space Nine. (Granted, Frakes’ word is worth about as much as my phlegm.)
 
Captain Syrup said:
If anything, DS9 got the financial glow-up. There's an old interview with Frakes where he grumbles about TNG’s seventh season being a half-assed mess because most of the budget was being funneled to Deep Space Nine. (Granted, Frakes’ word is worth about as much as my phlegm.)
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Well, he's not entirely off here, since DS9 had to build new sets from the ground (Quark's, Ops, Promenade, that sort of thing); I think the pilot cost 12 million bucks to make alone. Doesn't mean the penny pinchers shifted money away from TNG to finance it.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
Well, he's not entirely off here, since DS9 had to build new sets from the ground (Quark's, Ops, Promenade, that sort of thing); I think the pilot cost 12 million bucks to make alone. Doesn't mean the penny pinchers shifted money away from TNG to finance it.
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Yeah, Frakes is basically Shatner-lite. There’s a fluidity to his convictions, in rhythm with the shifting alliances and fleeting conveniences of his cast mates.

Here is the Frakes quote link, if you care about receipts.
 
Captain Syrup said:
If anything, DS9 got the financial glow-up. There's an old interview with Frakes where he grumbles about TNG’s seventh season being a half-assed mess because most of the budget was being funneled to Deep Space Nine. (Granted, Frakes’ word is worth about as much as my phlegm.)
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Captain Syrup said:
Yeah, Frakes is basically Shatner-lite. There’s a fluidity to his convictions, in rhythm with the shifting alliances and fleeting conveniences of his cast mates.

Here is the Frakes quote link, if you care about receipts.
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Frakes is full of shit here. The reason TNG's seventh season got half-assed (and why TNG did not get an eighth season) is because the budget was earmarked for all the feature films. Which Frakes directed.
 
There's a great YouTube channel called TrekCore that uploads a ton of old Star Trek-related teasers, commercials, and interviews. I thought I'd share it with you guys.


Also, a bit of lore discussion (if people are willing to entertain it): do you guys think there would be Bajorans who disliked, or even hated the Resistance? Not that they loved the Cardassians, but imagine you have an innocent family member killed by a Resistance cell trying to assassinate a powerful Cardassian. Some people might say it's necessary to get rid of the Cardassians and compartmentalize it that way, but I imagine a lot of people would be mad about it for a long time. I'm surprised, for all the brutally honest discussions of terrorism in DS9, there was not more of this.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
do you guys think there would be Bajorans who disliked, or even hated the Resistance?
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Yep, that's pretty reasonable. Bajor's situation is comparable to that of occupied WW2-era France, Greece and Yugoslavia. The various resistance movements in those countries got innocent people killed by the boatload, simply because that's often unavoidable to get the mission done. Now, the personal rage of Bajoran normies having their relatives killed doesn't amount to much - unless it's exploited by a political faction. They could have used the Circle for that; the conflict between them and the Provisional Government could have gone in an entirely different direction, and had different causes.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Also, a bit of lore discussion (if people are willing to entertain it): do you guys think there would be Bajorans who disliked, or even hated the Resistance? Not that they loved the Cardassians, but imagine you have an innocent family member killed by a Resistance cell trying to assassinate a powerful Cardassian. Some people might say it's necessary to get rid of the Cardassians and compartmentalize it that way, but I imagine a lot of people would be mad about it for a long time. I'm surprised, for all the brutally honest discussions of terrorism in DS9, there was not more of this.
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Maybe there were some Bajorans who were waiting for Starfleet to kick the Cardassians out and felt the Resistance was only making things worse for the ones just trying to survive.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Also, a bit of lore discussion (if people are willing to entertain it): do you guys think there would be Bajorans who disliked, or even hated the Resistance? Not that they loved the Cardassians, but imagine you have an innocent family member killed by a Resistance cell trying to assassinate a powerful Cardassian. Some people might say it's necessary to get rid of the Cardassians and compartmentalize it that way, but I imagine a lot of people would be mad about it for a long time. I'm surprised, for all the brutally honest discussions of terrorism in DS9, there was not more of this.
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Look at the French resistance during WWII. There were communists, socialists, Free French, republicans, monarchists, and many more. Different factions would work with the Germans to wipe out competing factions all the time. I could see an orthodox resistance that wants Bajor to be ruled by religious leaders, a faction that wants to join the Federation, and probably a few other small factions with weird political beliefs. All of them are wrong of course. Gul Dukat was the only leader Bajor ever needed.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Series Space: Above and Beyond done it perfectly with its 22nd episode Sugar Dirt.
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This was the first episode of S:AaB I ever saw, it stuck with me even after all those years. I should really give that show another watch.

Question for those of you that are more knowledgeable about Star Trek lore than I. Does any race have what we would call Carriers?

I was rewatching DS9 and during the Dominion War there are mentioned and shown to be fighter wings, which got me wondering if there are successors to the Yorktown/Lexington/Illustrious bobbing around in space somewhere in the future.

I know that everyone and their mother has a ‘fighter wing in SPAAAACCCEEE’ as their main plot, so I’m a little surprised that they didn’t at least give it a punt in Star Trek
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
I was rewatching DS9 and during the Dominion War there are mentioned and shown to be fighter wings, which got me wondering if there are successors to the Yorktown/Lexington/Illustrious bobbing around in space somewhere in the future.
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From what I can tell, Starfleet space fighters are larger than their runabouts and they have their own warp engines, thus technically classify as small space craft. No need for dedicated carriers.
 
Runabouts and fighters as big as they are, they're still limited in range and crew endurance. In addition to needing maintenance done, which the crew cannot do by themselves. Thirdly the Federation does have on screen carriers which are the Akira class. If individual Akiras aren't sidegraded to dedicated attack ships as seen in FC and DS9.
Biggest issue is Star Trek carriers aren't the real world equivalent of WWII fleet carriers that can carry a wing of 72 fighters plus and/or other craft. But rather the equivalents to WWII escort and light carriers complements of dozen to forty plus fighters and/or other craft. In books, games and other media, every major faction haves carriers although almost all of them at best would be carrying 30 to 40 plus fighters and/or shuttles.
 
Screamer_2 said:
Wasn't there something dumb in Discovery where the ship had hundreds/thousands of fighter drones for battles?


Also, Space Above and Beyond is mentioned. That's one of those shows that I feel like I was the only person who ever watched it or remembered.
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Discovery's fighter drones is yet another thing they stole from Andromeda. It's pretty sad when you have to copy a plot of a series no one watched and went to shit.

I think most nerds who were watching the Sci Fi Channel in the early 2000s watched Space: Above and Beyond. It's all they played when they go the rights to it. This was before reality tv so they had to find something to fill their air time that wasn't Farscape reruns or The Twilight Zone.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Discovery's fighter drones is yet another thing they stole from Andromeda. It's pretty sad when you have to copy a plot of a series no one watched and went to shit.

I think most nerds who were watching the Sci Fi Channel in the early 2000s watched Space: Above and Beyond. It's all they played when they go the rights to it. This was before reality tv so they had to find something to fill their air time that wasn't Farscape reruns or The Twilight Zone.
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I never watched Andromeda. Was it any good? Also, it ran for 5 seasons? Jeez

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Screamer_2 said:
I never watched Andromeda. Was it any good? Also, it ran for 5 seasons? Jeez

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It's decent until Kevin Sorbo reforms the Commonwealth then the show goes to shit. Its quality is above that of Cleopatra 2525 but not as good as Jack of All Trades which, ironically, was one of Alex Kurtzman's first writing gigs.
 
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