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Flexo said:
Poor Beverly. There was more to her (about as much as Scotty in the old series), but nowadays she's just remembered for the ghost fucking.
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I love the way that, one of the worst episodes of STNG has become a meme.

Hey Johnny Bravo said:
be me
>still E-5, platoon detachment given shore duty
>assigned to Fort Worf, first Federation base on Qo'noS
>mostly used for diplomatic functions, Federation-Klingon military coordination, and joint training exercises
>platoon assigned to security detail, Starfleet Security wants Marines to "cross-train"
>Klingons refuse to follow Federation security protocol, break our shit when they get angry, and always declare it's dishonorable to be searched because they're Shitface, Son of P'tak or Cuntsniffer, Daughter of Targ-Fucker
>they NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP
>always angry when we have to give a patdown
>Klingons have a ritual for everything... except bathing
>have to parse through sweaty, unwashed Klingon crotches and assholes on the daily to search for weapons or explosives
>Klingons occasionally bring their targ that shits everywhere and chews on everything
>have you ever smelled targ shit??? it's fucking FOUL, worst smell ever, I still get phantom odors to this day
>Starfleet wants Marines on QM duty for "cross-training"
>I get voluntold by CO, have to do QM shit for the rest of the assignment, constantly writing requisitions, barely get any sleep
>base commander is some dumb bitch obsessed with everything Klingon, married to a prominent Klingon
>constant base security issue with food smuggling because the replicators only make Klingon food, at base commander's orders, that no one wants to eat
>never ate so many combat rations in my life
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Mate... That's one of the single best pieces of writing I've seen on KF.
 
UCT said:
So I haven’t kept up with Star Trek in years but is this franchise unfucked yet or is it just dead and rotten like Star Wars?
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Deader. And harder to resurrect too. Star Wars could, in theory, come back if they had decent management. Trek at its inception was built around color-blindness, so Woke people can always infect it again.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I sort of feel bad for Wil Wheaton because he was just reading his lines and Gene is the one who made Wesley so insufferable.
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It all makes sense once you realize Wesley is basically Gene's self-insert. As always, the most obvious giveaway is when the character and creator share a name. And they do; as you all know, Gene's middle name was Wesley. Definitely not a coincidence.

From the franchise on which the term "Mary Sue" originated, it's not surprising that a lot of people working on it couldn't resist the temptation to self-insert. William Shatner did it with his novels, Patrick Stewart self-inserted and hijacked Picard, and even the original creator couldn't resist. At least Wesley didn't end up becoming a Q, but "The Traveler" was intended to be the next best thing – some kind of grand destiny beyond Starfleet. But as any Star Trek fan knows, there's no such thing.
 
Mystery Spy said:
At least Wesley didn't end up becoming a Q, but "The Traveler" was intended to be the next best thing – some kind of grand destiny beyond Starfleet. But as any Star Trek fan knows, there's no such thing.
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It came across weird, more like sending him off with a space pedophile.
 
AnOminous said:
It came across weird, more like sending him off with a space pedophile.
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"Come with me Wesley, and I'll show you the diddles of space-time."
"The what now?"
"Riddles! Riddles of space-time."

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He looks like he's smelling Wesley's hair ffs
 
AnOminous said:
I did until it turned out he was personally much more insufferable than Wesley.
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Some men don’t have the mental cartilage to survive notoriety. And when you’re the most ridiculed face in a franchise people used to love, well, the geek becomes a ghoul.
XYZpdq Jr. said:
you'd have to be brilliant to bullshit the world that you were The Visionary Mind Behind Star Trek instead of the swinger with a casting couch and some scribbles on a cocktail napkin of "POPULAR SHOW + SPACE" who hustled Lucy for a shitload of money
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The "nicest" thing I’ve ever read about him is that he was so dulled by drugs that he became little more than a marionette jerked about by a lawyer with dollar signs for pupils. Not exactly a glowing endorsement, and suggests the whole edifice was built on duct tape.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Deader. And harder to resurrect too. Star Wars could, in theory, come back if they had decent management. Trek at its inception was built around color-blindness, so Woke people can always infect it again.
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I'd say Star Trek has a better chance of being saved since SkyDance is buying Paramount and they've shown some intelligence by hiring Lasseter to run their animation department after Disney fired him for hugging a woman for too long. Anything Disney owned is fucked in the long run because Iger has stacked the board with his cronies.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Some men don’t have the mental cartilage to survive notoriety. And when you’re the most ridiculed face in a franchise people used to love, well, the geek becomes a ghoul.

The "nicest" thing I’ve ever read about him is that he was so dulled by drugs that he became little more than a marionette jerked about by a lawyer with dollar signs for pupils. Not exactly a glowing endorsement, and suggests the whole edifice was built on duct tape.
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my favorite Gene Scheme was Lincoln Enterprises, (abe was his fave, that's why he's Kirk's fave for no clear reason)
as I recall, Lincoln Enterprises was some random company that just HAPPENED to work with Gene Rod for selling Trek crap (and cutting out desilu from the loop), and clearly not a front company that Gene just invented
and it just HAPPENED to be run by "fan" BJo Trimble
you may remember her for her next role as the "fan" who led the "fan" campaign to save Trek
Lincoln Enterprises also just HAPPENED to get a bunch of SFX footage they sold frames from
this is supposedly why S3 of TOS runs out of new ship footage. Gene sold the actual film, including the stuff that they hadn't used yet
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
I'd say Star Trek has a better chance of being saved since SkyDance is buying Paramount and they've shown some intelligence by hiring Lasseter to run their animation department after Disney fired him for hugging a woman for too long. Anything Disney owned is fucked in the long run because Iger has stacked the board with his cronies.
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Judging by some of the responses to the general description of my fanfiction, as well as my greentext, maybe they should give it to me?

Star Trek is salvageable, but it requires a retcon. What I would do is say that the star-destroying weapon in Nemesis created a fork in the timeline due to how it affected chronitoneutrinobullshittium in the galaxy, so all the nu-Trek is still heckin' valid, but its own separate thing. That also maintains the Kelvin timeline. Problem solved.
 
>be me
>finally promoted to E-6
>previous E-6 promoted to E-7 and reassigned to Camp Pendleton to train new recruits
>he will train the leanest, meanest, and greenest Marines to ever roam the galaxy
>I become PSG
>CO promoted to 1LT and reassigned to a staff position on Calder II along the Romulan border
>rest of the platoon is going with now-former CO to Calder II
>everyone nervous about our new butterbar, especially since we're getting a real posting this time
>no insane Starfleet Officers, no "cross-training" bullshit, we're going to a Marines base close to an adversary
>new CO arrives
>it's a fucking VULCAN
>a FEMALE VULCAN
>platoon is all young men, mostly human, a few Andorians and Tellarites
>what the fuck is a Vulcan doing as a 2LT in the Marines? go be a ship captain or scientist or diplomat or some shit
>her name is T'lana
>HER FUCKING NAME IS THE SAME AS THE MAIN CHARACTER IN VULCAN LOVE SLAVE III
>introduce myself to 2LT Love Slave
>she's like 6'2", I'm 5'9", feel like a manlet, she looms over me
>2LT says she has read my service record, introductions are unnecessary, asks me if the Marines are ready
>yes, sir
>she says "we will see"
>despite being so goddamn tall, 2LT lurks and moves around like a cat
>asks me a few questions, but mostly just gives orders and observes for first few days
>everyone is quiet as a churchmouse the whole trip to Calder II, too afraid that 2LT Love Slave will catch them if they make obvious jokes
>read her service record
>she was originally a logistics officer at Ajilon Prime, served there during the Federation-Klingon War in 2373 when the Klingons attacked
>served with a few light infantry units during Dominion War and later requested a transfer to be a Marine
>absolute body stacker
>arrive on Calder II, get settled in, begin training, new CO gets her hands dirty helping out
>Calder II is a fucking sandbox, everyone sucking down water except 2LT
>sand
>sand in your boots
>sand in your food
>sand under your fingernails
>sand in your asscrack
>sand EVERYWHERE
>at least Qo'noS had humidity, Calder II is bone dry, my sinuses are constantly sore
>eventually 2LT Love Slave wants to talk to me about something
>what's up, 2LT?
>"Staff Sergeant, it is my observation that Marines generally have more rapport than this platoon. I spoke with your previous commanding officer and he was surprised when I told him how quiet the platoon has been. Please inform the men that they need not alter their behaviour on my behalf. I am aware that being a female Vulcan officer in the Marines is odd, but I did not join the Marines to change its culture."
>yes, sir
>kinda relieved tbph
>another round of silence
>"And I know that I share the name of the seductress in Vulcan Love Slave III."
>spaghetti flies out of my pockets at warp speed
>her poker face is perfect
>"It is a coincidence that most find amusing. It does not bother me so long as comments do not cause controversy or insubordination."
>y-yes, sir
>2LT smiles, lowers her face, gives fuck-me eyes
>"It is a very good holonovel, you know."
>my spaghetti is in the Gamma Quadrant somewhere
>2LT clasps hands behind back and walks off without saying anything else
>rest of the assignment goes fine, 2LT Love Slave turned out to be one of the best officers I ever served with
Vulcans are all right
 
Captain Syrup said:
The "nicest" thing I’ve ever read about him is that he was so dulled by drugs that he became little more than a marionette jerked about by a lawyer with dollar signs for pupils. Not exactly a glowing endorsement, and suggests the whole edifice was built on duct tape.
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Maybe at some point, but it wasn't exactly a "grift" to propose and actually carry out an actual science fiction series at the time, with a lot of the best episodes written by the best science fiction writers of the time. ST:TOS remains an artistic triumph and a cultural watershed.

You can't really take that away from Roddenberry by just pointing out he Howard Hughsed out at the end of his life. Even Elvis died fat on the crapper.
 
AnOminous said:
exactly a "grift" to propose and actually carry out an actual science fiction series at the time
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it is a grift to steal from the production company to sell out of the back of your truck
and it is a grift to position yourself as the brain behind other people's work
he wasn't even the only Gene making the show and he rarely acknowledged DC Fontana inventing basically fucking everything beyond "uhh, pointy ears?"
it's also a grift to create bullshit stories of your show getting pulled in markets and op/eds against it when there's no evidence anywhere in any form ever
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
it is a grift to steal from the production company to sell out of the back of your truck
and it is a grift to position yourself as the brain behind other people's work
he wasn't even the only Gene making the show and he rarely acknowledged DC Fontana inventing basically fucking everything beyond "uhh, pointy ears?"
it's also a grift to create bullshit stories of your show getting pulled in markets and op/eds against it when there's no evidence anywhere in any form ever
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Wasn't Fontana mostly responsible for creating the Vulcans? My understanding is her dispute with Gene was mostly due to his constant re-writes. Gene was, as we know, a control freak. He was like a Tommy Wiseau who wanted to do everything, which irritates the shit out of the rest of the staff on a production who sit there and wonder what the fuck they were even hired for.

Also, am I the only one who's gonna do greentexts? I know the rest of you have it in you. I'm going to keep doing them but don't want to bore everyone.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Wasn't Fontana mostly responsible for creating the Vulcans? My understanding is her dispute with Gene was mostly due to his constant re-writes. Gene was, as we know, a control freak. He was like a Tommy Wiseau who wanted to do everything, which irritates the shit out of the rest of the staff on a production who sit there and wonder what the fuck they were even hired for.

Also, am I the only one who's gonna do greentexts? I know the rest of you have it in you. I'm going to keep doing them but don't want to bore everyone.
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ehh, I did a few Dianna Troys back in the day on 4/m/ and 420/1701/ but I'm not that into them anymore
but yeah iirc basically anything beyond the most basic surface idea of "vulcanians" "federation" and maybe "klingon" is 100% her, ESPECIALLY all the Vulcan lore, she's behind Amok Time, Journey To Babel, Yesteryear, all the good shit
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
it is a grift to steal from the production company to sell out of the back of your truck
and it is a grift to position yourself as the brain behind other people's work
he wasn't even the only Gene making the show and he rarely acknowledged DC Fontana inventing basically fucking everything beyond "uhh, pointy ears?"
it's also a grift to create bullshit stories of your show getting pulled in markets and op/eds against it when there's no evidence anywhere in any form ever
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That's like calling George Lucas a grifter because hundreds of other people worked on Star Trek for the first trilogy (you know the one that didn't suck). Look how it turned out when he decided to do everything himself. If that's a grift we need more grifters.
 
AnOminous said:
That's like calling George Lucas a grifter because hundreds of other people worked on Star Trek for the first trilogy (you know the one that didn't suck). Look how it turned out when he decided to do everything himself. If that's a grift we need more grifters.
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how about the "boosting shit from the studio" part or the bullshit "fan" campaign run by his employee who handled his front company for fencing said stolen goods
and there's still no evidence ever of any of the alleged op/eds about Kirk and Uhura's kiss, and there's similarly no evidence of the episode pulled in advance in some markets
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
and there's still no evidence ever of any of the alleged op/eds about Kirk and Uhura's kiss, and there's similarly no evidence of the episode pulled in advance in some markets
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It's called hyping and if it works, it works. Not saying it's right, but everyone tries to do it.
 
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