Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Reassigned is 07 on your PDF, William Henry Harrison 08, and Raider Training is here. I just made these titles on on the spot, so don't worry about being confused.
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Ok I did miss 1 more. Thanks!

I'll give everyone else (or you) a few hours to write up some more to be included before I post the next compilation.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
There's only one MST3K alumni I want to guest star
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Clayton, if you can hear me, blame this on the misfortune of your birth!
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that could be done on the small screen.
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More like "could have been done". I think "Section 31" is about the best the current crop of shit writers/producers can do. I think if anything, "The Orville" is closer to the roots of TOS/TNG than any of the NuTrek garbage out there now.

I'm continually amazed how many newer shows are just "reboot/rework" of old IP, except they strip away everything that makes it important. It's like Alex Kurtzman sat down and said: "What if we did a Trek show, but go heavy on action, light on philosophy, make all the characters irreverent, abandon the Prime Directive, throw in lots of fights, sex and quirky catch phases?"

From the little I've seen of Section 31, it doesn't seem to leverage anything that was Star Trek. Why doesn't Alex Kurtzman and friends just launch a new show called "Cool Space Buddies" and he's not bound by the behaviors and aims of the old show? It's like people forgot how to create new characters and can only race and gender swap existing ones.
 
Rancid Xylitol said:
More like "could have been done". I think "Section 31" is about the best the current crop of shit writers/producers can do.
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Star Trek took over a decade off and somehow came back with fewer ideas than it left with. Even the Doctor Who revival had a decent run. But then again, Paramount’s never really been about "accountability" so this is less a surprise and more tradition.
 
Rancid Xylitol said:
I'm continually amazed how many newer shows are just "reboot/rework" of old IP, except they strip away everything that makes it important. It's like Alex Kurtzman sat down and said: "What if we did a Trek show, but go heavy on action, light on philosophy, make all the characters irreverent, abandon the Prime Directive, throw in lots of fights, sex and quirky catch phases?"
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Timestamped video to relevant part.
 
Clown College 2nd Year said:
Damn he was 87? That's a pretty good run right there. I still think Duet is one of the best episodes in the entirety of the Star Trek franchise.
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I thought it got a little too complicated for the point it was trying to make, but it was still a fantastic episode and Yulin nailed it.
 
If only we could have this crossover...
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Thinking on it... this would kind of explain why Troi is useless.
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(I too would have trouble working if I had to listen to mom all day.)
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Star Trek took over a decade off and somehow came back with fewer ideas than it left with
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I thought the trouble is that it came back with too many ideas. Just about the only thing I can think of that Section 31 has in common with Star Trek is the brand name and the fact they scoot around in space. It's true that even the original series had some goofy episodes, but that was counterbalanced by some deeper and philosophical themes.

To see an even wider gulf, compare Picard to Georgiou. Other than being loosely in command of a star ship, do they even share anything? One is a decorated officer that makes hard decisions to uphold his personal morals and one is a bloodthirsty dictactor, perfectly willing to slaughter their own family.

One is 99% serious and one cracks jokes all the time. The amount of "zaniness" even in the trailer for Section 31 is way over the top. I have severe issues trying to put myself in Alex Kurtzman's shoes. I am guessing the thought process goes like this: "Star Trek used to be popular, but is less popular now. Maybe it is less popular now because it doesn't have characters that crack witty jokes all the time and it doesn't have action scenes and snappy one liners. If I introduce those, it will become popular again and I will revive the brand."

I would say this is more or less close to the thought process that gave us the new sassy, black Doctor Who. My dual solace is that not only can I continue to watch the older episodes, but they are losing their shirt on the new episodes, meaning that history should not treat them kindly.

I hope that this is just a phase and Trek eventually somewhat returns to form, however, this might have put the brand so low we never see it again.
 
Rancid Xylitol said:
I am guessing the thought process goes like this: "Star Trek used to be popular, but is less popular now. Maybe it is less popular now because it doesn't have characters that crack witty jokes all the time and it doesn't have action scenes and snappy one liners. If I introduce those, it will become popular again and I will revive the brand."
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The thought process by Kurtzman and the suits is that consumers don't know what they want, so let's give them what we think they want... which is usually what they want. A lot of modern TV and film is the creators treating the audience like their therapist, the Western equivalent of isekai, or straight up wish fulfillment.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
The thought process by Kurtzman and the suits is that consumers don't know what they want, so let's give them what we think they want... which is usually what they want. A lot of modern TV and film is the creators treating the audience like their therapist, the Western equivalent of isekai, or straight up wish fulfillment.
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They do not try to give us what they think we want. They try to force us to accept that they think we should want.
 
It also doesn't help that far too many of today's writers don't have the life experience to have something to say. Getting an MFA in screenwriting from NYU or USC is no substitute for going to war or being an expat in Paris or moving to Alaska to pan for gold or being a cop for a few years or running into pirates while sailing around the world or whatever. All they have to draw on is other TV shows and movies.
 
William Murderface said:
Troi is mostly useless because the writers gave her entire function, to be Picard's sounding board, to Guinan.
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Her superpower, being "empathic" is also not that useful outside of spotting liars.

Tangent:
Betazoid telepathy in Star Trek is a completely broken superpower that makes no sense. If they had put some thought into limiting it, and explaining how it works in a scientific way, they could've done more with it. Telepathy for Vulcans was done so much smarter.

There should be ways to block it using technology.
We see it work over lightyears, so can you use them as an emergency communication system?
Does it use subspace? It seems instantaneous regardless of range.
Can you reverse engineer that shit to make a long-range subspace transmitter that only needs a few calories to power it?
They probably never invented the telephone.

William Murderface said:
It also doesn't help that far too many of today's writers don't have the life experience to have something to say. Getting an MFA in screenwriting from NYU or USC is no substitute for going to war or being an expat in Paris or moving to Alaska to pan for gold or being a cop for a few years or running into pirates while sailing around the world or whatever. All they have to draw on is other TV shows and movies.
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Yeah, people blame execs too heavily but the "creatives" like writers are empty fedoras these days. I've seen it in comics, where I assumed creative people were being forced to make slop by some Kathleen Kennedy style figure. BUT when they do some indy "passion project" it's the same boring cliché brain-rot trash they were making for the big company!

The producers on the Original Star Trek were WWII vets and the like. Matt Jefferies designed airplanes. The only thing modern Hollywood tards have designed is their fetish list.
 
William Murderface said:
It also doesn't help that far too many of today's writers don't have the life experience to have something to say. Getting an MFA in screenwriting from NYU or USC is no substitute for going to war or being an expat in Paris or moving to Alaska to pan for gold or being a cop for a few years or running into pirates while sailing around the world or whatever. All they have to draw on is other TV shows and movies.
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Echo Chamberlain said that the book publishing world is basically like what happened to American comics and Academia where it got SJW-ified and nepohires hired each other based on SJW characteristics to create the media industries we have today.

I now understand why book burning was a thing. Shitty media doesn't deserve to preserved.
 
Rancid Xylitol said:
I would say this is more or less close to the thought process that gave us the new sassy, black Doctor Who.
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I don't think Gatwa was masterminded in some TikTok lab. If that were the case, we wouldn’t have Matt "look at me I just did a kilo of cocaine and now I'm doing jazz hands with a sonic screwdriver lodged up me arse" Smith.

Doctor Who keeps trying to be Star Wars, despite decades of proof that it absolutely shouldn’t. This started back in the Davison era. Also, the Doctor barely feels like a character anymore. Probably because the writers buried him under so much Gallifreyan lore and “Timeless Child” fanfics no one likes or understands. In the absence of a coherent Doctor, we get manic energy and charm offensives. Which gets old quickly.

Soon there’ll be a tell-all interview where the producers suddenly remember they were against the Gatwa Doctor from day one. “Oh, but no one listened!" :'(
 
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William Murderface said:
Troi is mostly useless because the writers gave her entire function, to be Picard's sounding board, to Guinan.
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Did you ever notice how often Troi could short-circuit an entire episode because she would have just been able to "sense" what's going on? For instance, in "Conspiracy" where a bunch of high ranking Star Fleet officers are compromised by a parasite... she never detects anything wrong.

In the episode where Data is kidnapped, again, Troi is conveniently not able to sense anything.

The episode where Picard is replaced with a doppelganger (which acts pretty differently from him, for example, drinking with the crew) she senses nothing.

I don't know if the writers forgot she exists or what.
 
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