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I vehemently refuse to believe that Kes was ever intended to be a sex symbol, nor that they somehow managed to write the show initially without one.
It was the '90s. They went out of their way to make sure no one was having any fun.

The Berman era was about as sexually charged as a PBS pledge drive. Harry Kim turned down more sex than a priest. And then there’s "The Host", where Dr. Crusher’s boyfriend Odan gets moved into a woman’s body and she immediately nopes out. Apparently the 24th-century is fine with mind-transferring slug aliens, but a worm with a coochie? Too weird!
 
Not to go into @The Last Stand territory, but goddamn that bitch was the hottest Betazoid. I think Troi got cheated because if she had been given that personality she would have been the star of the show instead of just a nice pair of tits.

To add to this Marina is the exact opposite of Troi in real life. She is opiniated, hot blooded and dominant. It would have been very easy for her to play an assertive woman.

Honestly I give her credit for being believable as an empathic, and soft spoken woman. But Troi is literally the opposite of her real self. If you have ever heard her in her voice acting roles such as Demona, she absolutely kills it with assertive women roles.

I get what the writers were going with her, but Guinan ended up being the true psychologist of the ship. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike Troi, but I do wonder what might had been.
 
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New comic series incoming. Somehow, Captain Kirk returns during STD's the Burn. Thanks to Picard season 3 Easter egg no doubt. Sounds bad.


I have all the issues from the last couple years that take place between DS9 and Nemesis but I haven't read any of them. They actually wrapped those series up so you can jump off. Hopefully when I get around to reading them there's no Kurtzman shit. 🌈

Maybe I'll review them for this thread.

There's a Voyager comic coming out soon which takes place right as they return to Earth, I will check that one out.
 
Cross posting this gem, the song referenced being John lennons imagine
I had a friend who said that it felt like it was the theme song for the Borg. I don't know how true that is, because I'm not that brand of nerd, but I hate the song so fucking much.

"Wouldn't it be great if we just sandblasted off all the facets of life and the human experience, so that we're all perfect little drones?"
 
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When the autistic spergs over at /tv/ aren't fighting, they sometimes do deliver some cool ship porn.
 
The size of the props always kinda blows me away. I've seen some Star Wars models that looked like toys but then there are Star Trek ones that are room-sized.
 
When the autistic spergs over at /tv/ aren't fighting, they sometimes do deliver some cool ship porn.
I like that the Defiant is a compact ship with beds designed to punish sleep, but the warp nacelles just stick straight out and I can't stop thinking they should tilt back or face downward; anything to suggest "Star Trek".

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I like that the Defiant is a compact ship with beds designed to punish sleep, but the warp nacelles just stick straight out and I can't stop thinking they should tilt back or face downward; anything to suggest "Star Trek".

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There are people who think the Defiant broke Gene's rule about warp nacelles and how specific they must be in length in relation to the size of the ship. The same people never had any issue with Klingon BoPs... Well, I believe the Defiant is something the Federation would develop to deny an enemy shooting their warp coils to pieces.
The size of the props always kinda blows me away. I've seen some Star Wars models that looked like toys but then there are Star Trek ones that are room-sized.
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Dunno, your average star destroyer could be a 6 and a half foot model. I am wondering how tall the Executor is, tho. This thing is a massive piece of equipment either way.
 
The backstory behind the Defiant is kinda funny if you think about it.

Way back around the "Battle" of Wolf 359, Commander Sisko helped design a starship specifically intended to fight the Borg. No holodeck or other luxuries, just a ton of weapons. Because the Borg threat decreased, the project lost relevance for a few years.

A few years later, while helping his son with his homework, Sisko first encountered agents from the Dominion, a threat that's just as if not, more deadly than the Borg. After the Dominion showed how dangerous they were by kamikazing a ship that's the same class as the Enterprise-D, the anti-Borg ship was dusted off.

Not only did Starfleet still try to pass this ship off as a simple escort vessel with a ton of guns and torpedo launchers, they managed to make a deal with the Romulans and get a cloaking device through a loophole in a peace treaty. How does Sisko introduce this groundbreaking ship to his crew? By sneaking up to Deep Space Nine while cloaked and scaring the shit out of everyone.

Eventually, total war breaks out between the Federation and Dominion, and rather than the shiny new Enterprise-E, the tiny "escort" ship is the vessel that sees the most action until it's destroyed by the Breen... and is replaced by a nearly identical ship also called the Defiant.
 
they managed to make a deal with the Romulans and get a cloaking device through a loophole
Putting a Romulan cloak on the Defiant is such a flex. Hey, we made an angry brick that can punch through Borg Cubes and now it's invisible.
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It’s like when the Excalibur in Babylon 5 gets a Minbari cannon or when the sky pirates in Skies of Arcadia jack a next-gen doomsday ship with a Gigas weapon.
 
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Strange New Worlds is ending. Looks like they have 2 seasons, about 16 episodes left.

Also in contrast...

Dave brings up how SNW seems to just have a surface level understanding of Trek, like not understanding Vulcans do have emotions and stuff. I know some question Lower Decks, but damn - as seen in Chuck's review, they referenced the TNG VCR board game. That's such a deep cut of reference I find it increasingly hard to believe the LD writers are that shallow of fans. Maybe the executives who interfere with the show are, but it seems like when nobody looking... I mean they have references to the animated series at random times. (Like a BEM alien just being a random instructor.)

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"Let me go talk to ambassador motherfucker..."
 
There are people who think the Defiant broke Gene's rule about warp nacelles and how specific they must be in length in relation to the size of the ship. The same people never had any issue with Klingon BoPs... Well, I believe the Defiant is something the Federation would develop to deny an enemy shooting their warp coils to pieces.

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Dunno, your average star destroyer could be a 6 and a half foot model. I am wondering how tall the Executor is, tho. This thing is a massive piece of equipment either way.

The Executor was about 6tt long. The Star Destroyer built for TESB was 8.5 ft.

The Star Destroyer built for ANH was smaller and only detailed for camera facing sides.

The Tantavive IV was big and detailed because it was originally going to be the Falcon. The larger Falcon model is big and a thing of beauty but they ended up using a smaller model mostly for the latter films as it was much more versatile for the motion control systems to have the ship being more agile. Which they did a similar thing with Star Trek The Next Generation. Built a giant high detail model originally. Then later on made a smaller one because it's easier to work with.
 
The Executor was about 6tt long. The Star Destroyer built for TESB was 8.5 ft.

The Star Destroyer built for ANH was smaller and only detailed for camera facing sides.

The Tantavive IV was big and detailed because it was originally going to be the Falcon. The larger Falcon model is big and a thing of beauty but they ended up using a smaller model mostly for the latter films as it was much more versatile for the motion control systems to have the ship being more agile. Which they did a similar thing with Star Trek The Next Generation. Built a giant high detail model originally. Then later on made a smaller one because it's easier to work with.
iirc didn't the OG D have major structure issues?
 
The Tantavive IV was big and detailed because it was originally going to be the Falcon. The larger Falcon model is big and a thing of beauty but they ended up using a smaller model mostly for the latter films as it was much more versatile for the motion control systems to have the ship being more agile. Which they did a similar thing with Star Trek The Next Generation. Built a giant high detail model originally. Then later on made a smaller one because it's easier to work with.
The original falcon was also changed because they were nervous about it looking too much like the Eagle from Space 1999.
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iirc didn't the OG D have major structure issues?

From what I understand, they had a more limited idea of what kind of shots they could achieve early on in the production, versus what they could achieve. The original model was built with the earlier ideas and so was limited and more fragile compared to what they could do. It had limited mounting points. Was only detailed for the shots they originally planned. Not built for the handling and rigging required to do more varied and versatile shots.
 
Way back around the "Battle" of Wolf 359, Commander Sisko helped design a starship specifically intended to fight the Borg. No holodeck or other luxuries, just a ton of weapons. Because the Borg threat decreased, the project lost relevance for a few years.

A few years later, while helping his son with his homework, Sisko first encountered agents from the Dominion, a threat that's just as if not, more deadly than the Borg. After the Dominion showed how dangerous they were by kamikazing a ship that's the same class as the Enterprise-D, the anti-Borg ship was dusted off.

Not only did Starfleet still try to pass this ship off as a simple escort vessel with a ton of guns and torpedo launchers, they managed to make a deal with the Romulans and get a cloaking device through a loophole in a peace treaty. How does Sisko introduce this groundbreaking ship to his crew? By sneaking up to Deep Space Nine while cloaked and scaring the shit out of everyone.

Eventually, total war breaks out between the Federation and Dominion, and rather than the shiny new Enterprise-E, the tiny "escort" ship is the vessel that sees the most action until it's destroyed by the Breen... and is replaced by a nearly identical ship also called the Defiant.
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That's what happens when you anger The Sisko.
 
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