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gaysexenjoyer said:
What's the general consensus on the STO spawned ship designs? I feel like it's a pretty decent mix of hits and dogshit.
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Federation made horrors beyond my comprehension.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
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It's a crap shoot between the KurtzTrek and STO designers on making Federation abominations. Especially with the negative space spoon/toilet fetish saucer sections. At least STO realized many of their designs are fucking arse in appearance. So they been taking them out and redoing them before bringing them back in. Even to the point of tossing the designs out entirely and starting almost from scratch.
 
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It's such a shame. The Orville is really enjoyable in so many ways but the first officer chick radiates so much smugness and condescension I can't bring myself to watch it.
 
It’s like comparing Elementary to Sherlock. The Orville might not be perfect, but it’s not bending over backwards to patronize you or show how cool and meta it is, a condition which has infected sci-fi and most other “entertainment”.

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gaysexenjoyer said:
The Orville is really enjoyable in so many ways but the first officer chick radiates so much smugness and condescension I can't bring myself to watch it.
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For me, it’s Claire. The "turbo unstoppable sex machine granny" thing is played out.
 
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Never Scored said:
I feel like the Orville is what you get if the people making Star Trek today actually liked TOS.
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Orville is just what happens when people who actually like Star Trek try to make Star Trek, it's earnest and at least TRIES to connect with what Star Trek is at it's core.

Meanwhile actual Star Trek is made by people who only ever liked the leftist politics of Star Trek, and I think the results speak for themselves.

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Are you saying you don't worship the almighty Kelly?
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All the unbearable ego of S1 TNG Picard, yet none of the wit and introspection. She's a borderline karen.

If this were a Roddenberry show I'd assume he was porking her actress.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Orville is what happens when people who actually like Star Trek try to make Star Trek, it's earnest.

Meanwhile actual Star Trek is made by people who only ever liked the leftist politics of the people who made old Star Trek, and I think the results speak for themselves.
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But even when Nu Trek decides to “tackle” real-life issues, it’s like watching someone tip over their own shoelaces, it's not really interested in the heady stuff TOS did, or even the dry but interesting moral puzzles of the Berman years.

No. It’s a very particular brand of 2012 idpol, the kind which swaps the messy work of dismantling systemic problems for the easier Instagrammable win.
 
Captain Syrup said:
It’s like comparing Elementary to Sherlock. The Orville might not be perfect, but it’s not bending over backwards to patronize you or show how cool and meta it is, a condition which has infected sci-fi and most other “entertainment”.
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The "P.L.O.T. Device" in Naked Gun was actually funny, though.
 
ZMOT said:
not do sound like an ass, but what do you guys expect a holodeck to look like? you all know how it works, right?
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If it's a prototype then it should look quite basic, not a carbon copy of the holodeck room from TNG.

gaysexenjoyer said:
Orville is just what happens when people who actually like Star Trek try to make Star Trek, it's earnest and at least TRIES to connect with what Star Trek is at it's core.
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I bet Braga and the others enjoy writing on The Orville because it's Star Trek without the 40 years of canon.
 
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The writing issues are endemic to modern Hollywood, it's not just a Trek thing. Although a lot of the nu-Trek writers obviously take much pleasure in wrecking as much of the old Trek as they can just because it's enjoyed by the worse type of person.

The real issue is that modern writers just have nothing to say.

Let me sperg for a second here;

Art comes from pathos right? A "good" artist turns his pathos into a physical form for others to experience.

These modern day writers grew up in rich coastal cities, went to rich coastal schools, went to fancy coastal colleges and then into a job in Hollywood that Daddy set up for them. The biggest pain in their life was when Daddy didn't buy them the right color of Porsche for their birthday or the dirty Mexican barista got their $9 latte order mixed up.

The writers of yore went through hell pretty much. Many served in the great wars, others went through massive personal trauma or partook in history making events. They took the emotions they experienced and the life experience they have and turned it into art.

What life experience does the modern day Hollywood writer bring? What pathos have they ever experienced? What emotional connect do they have to their audience?

The answer is none. Their lives are so different from the average person that these Hollywood Nepo-Babies might as well be another species. They have nothing to share, nothing to say and nothing to share. They are empty bubbles of people living in a fake world make possible only by the power and money of their wealthy Hollywood parents.

This is why modern day writing sucks. The people have nothing to share, no tales to tell. Their lives are bland and boring so they just have the platitudes they "learned" in their fancy west coast elite schools. And like all children, because that's really what they are, they get angry at the plebs when their movies tank and their scripts get boo'd.

TLDR: Movies suck because the people writing them suck
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
The writing issues are endemic to modern Hollywood, it's not just a Trek thing. Although a lot of the nu-Trek writers obviously take much pleasure in wrecking as much of the old Trek as they can just because it's enjoyed by the worse type of person.

The real issue is that modern writers just have nothing to say.

Let me sperg for a second here;

Art comes from pathos right? A "good" artist turns his pathos into a physical form for others to experience.

These modern day writers grew up in rich coastal cities, went to rich coastal schools, went to fancy coastal colleges and then into a job in Hollywood that Daddy set up for them. The biggest pain in their life was when Daddy didn't buy them the right color of Porsche for their birthday or the dirty Mexican barista got their $9 latte order mixed up.

The writers of yore went through hell pretty much. Many served in the great wars, others went through massive personal trauma or partook in history making events. They took the emotions they experienced and the life experience they have and turned it into art.

What life experience does the modern day Hollywood writer bring? What pathos have they ever experienced? What emotional connect do they have to their audience?

The answer is none. Their lives are so different from the average person that these Hollywood Nepo-Babies might as well be another species. They have nothing to share, nothing to say and nothing to share. They are empty bubbles of people living in a fake world make possible only by the power and money of their wealthy Hollywood parents.

This is why modern day writing sucks. The people have nothing to share, no tales to tell. Their lives are bland and boring so they just have the platitudes they "learned" in their fancy west coast elite schools. And like all children, because that's really what they are, they get angry at the plebs when their movies tank and their scripts get boo'd.

TLDR: Movies suck because the people writing them suck
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I've opined on this and the short version (in agreement with you) is modern Hollywood writers are boring people, so they write boring stuff. Many successful writers, even Gen X writers, did stuff before their writing career took off.

Steven Spielberg spent his childhood playing with an 8mm camera and making little features à la Brendon Small in Home Movies. Lee Marvin was a WWII combat veteran. As you say: what have these new people actually done with their lives? The answer is nothing. They have done nothing of consequence and it is apparent in their fiction.
 
So I found the latest episode of SNW to be a solid star trek episode. I wish they would chill out on all the lame CW level relationship stuff though. And good riddance to that younger black nurse guy, awful actor. Also, please don't ruin the pah-wraiths if that's the direction they are going in with those Vezda-pah things.
 
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