Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Worf's and Geordi's promotions explain well why Kim wasn't promoted:

Both started as Lt. Junior, a rank that requires more responsibility and duties than ensing, and both were promoted due to being given more important jobs: chief of security and chief of engineering. I'm sure both are related to their promotion because you can't have a Junior as a chief engineer or security as you are on top of many people.

You can, apparently, being a chief of security and a Lt., because Tasha was not a Lt. Cmdr. when she was given the job. So, that's why Worf kept his rank for so long. Yet, he was nominated to replace Data and I think he was also chosen as a Second Officer during trainings. If anything, you could tell that he should have been promoted around season 4 or 5, but after he temporary left Starfleet for the Klingons, I can see why they would hesitate to promote him.

If someone like Worf wasn't promoted in about five years (and maybe more as the show ain't necessarily chronologically seven years) despite all the time he saved their butts, why would Kim?
 
Tasty Tatty said:
If someone like Worf wasn't promoted in about five years (and maybe more as the show ain't necessarily chronologically seven years) despite all the time he saved their butts, why would Kim?
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I think the parody versions of these captains just calcify in people’s heads. The Captain "Insaneway" thing hit right around when YouTube became the central nervous system of culture, so the fan-parody Janeway (chain-smoking, locking Harry in a dog crate, denying him promotions) becomes canon. Nobody remembers the real one.

And I guess it's easy to take Garrett Wang's side when his opponent is Rick Berman. Same thing with Takei and Shatner. (Everyone’s like, “Oh poor George, Shatner’s such a buffoon.” Then you realize George is a psycho, too, just vibrating with homosexual rage at all times.)

Wang spent like twenty years at conventions doing the same sad panel (Actually, I should’ve been made a Gryffindor prefect in year five! :'() but the actual reality is that Harry Kim doesn’t do anything. He has one big moment in "Timeless" where, again, he only saves the ship by time-traveling back to undo an accident he caused.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
I think the parody versions of these captains just calcify in people’s heads. The Captain "Insaneway" thing hit right around when YouTube becomes the central nervous system of culture, so the fan-parody Janeway (chain-smoking, locking Harry in a dog crate, denying him promotions) becomes canon. Nobody remembers the real one.
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Even Chuck lightened up on Janeway in later reviews, theorizing that the whole reason she was promoted to Admiral was because she was so emotionally drained from the seven years spent in the Delta Quadrant that she wasn't able to command a ship anymore.
 
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I think the parody versions of these captains just calcify in people’s heads. The Captain "Insaneway" thing hit right around when YouTube became the central nervous system of culture, so the fan-parody Janeway (chain-smoking, locking Harry in a dog crate, denying him promotions) becomes canon. Nobody remembers the real one.

And I guess it's easy to take Garrett Wang's side when his opponent is Rick Berman. Same thing with Takei and Shatner. (Everyone’s like, “Oh poor George, Shatner’s such a buffoon.” Then you realize George is a psycho, too, just vibrating with homosexual rage at all times.)

Wang spent like twenty years at conventions doing the same sad panel (Actually, I should’ve been made a Gryffindor prefect in year five! :'() but the actual reality is that Harry Kim doesn’t do anything. He has one big moment in "Timeless" where, again, he only saves the ship by time-traveling back to undo an accident he caused.
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What actually was "his side" in the Berman thing? IIRC he made some kind of insinuation over the past few years that Berman never allowed him to get promoted because he was a chinaman or something but that seems pretty unlikely to be the actual reason. It's just a convenient current year excuse. I know Bermans side is that he was basically an entitled lazy manbaby that wanted to direct without putting in the work to actually study and prepare and shadow other directors around to learn the craft. Is his only defense "he hates me cause im yellow" or has he ever given a plausible explanation?
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Even Chuck lightened up on Janeway in later reviews, theorizing that the whole reason she was promoted to Admiral was because she was so emotionally drained from the seven years spent in the Delta Quadrant that she wasn't able to command a ship anymore.
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RedLetterMedia almost never touches VOY, and the one time Plinkett brings it up he’s like, Janeway oughta be in prison.

In Community, there’s this line which goes, “Wait, there was a female Inspector Spacetime?” And Abed's like, “Everyone hates her. Not because they're sexist, because she sucks.” Mind you, Kate Mulgrew is way more talented than Jodie Whittaker, but it still leaves a bad taste knowing the first female Captain got saddled with such woeful material.

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los pepes said:
What actually was "his side" in the Berman thing?
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Wang claims Berman told him to stop emoting so much, denied him a shot at directing an episode, and then Braga dropped lines in an episode about Wang eating the entire Craft Services table...Can’t remember which episode, it's one of those 'Harry and Tom stuck in some apocalyptic quarry with red skies,' Tom hauls Harry on his back and grunts, “Oof! You’re heavier than you look!!”

There was a lot of backbiting on VOY, Ron Moore and Jeri Ryan hinted at it, but most of this reads like “Wang vs. the machine.”
 
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I just remember him crying (literally) on stage when reminiscing about the cat fight between janeway and seven. Not surprised he had to be told to tone down the emo on screen.
 
Judge Holden said:
Ya know....I recognised this comic for a very unfortunate reason

Some years back the creator was hired by Disney to write Star Wars comics about Porkins and Biggs going on a gay beach vacation and for a brief moment in 2019 it became the most cursed cawntent of the franchise before...well...the final movie came out

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I am so mad they did my boy Biggs like that.

Dude was badass. Like Magnum P.I. in star wars.
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Captain Syrup said:
In fairness to the writers, Colm Meaney was clocking in like a union plumber (“lemme beam two guys up and I’m going home.”) Like here is a man who was negotiating how little Star Trek shit he could tolerate while still cashing checks. They practically had to drag him by the ankles to get him on DS9 full-time.
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On that note its rather telling that he's never really done anything star trek related after ds9. Even the easy shit like VO work for a few games. Hell when cryptic did the ds9 expansion in STO him and him and sisko were the only ones they couldn't get involved. From what I heard he basically pulled a shatner and wanted nothing to do with it, which did seem kind of weirdly hostile for a job offer to do a few hours of VO for a cameo in a couple missions. Hell even odo showed up and went all out and the actor was literally dying at the time

Screamer_2 said:
Isn't there some story like George Takai insisted Sulu be promoted for the Undiscovered Country or else he wouldn't be in the film? Did that just relegate him to the opening sequence? It's been too long since I've seen the film to remember if there's more of him than the captain of the Excesilor. May or may not have been a bad choice for him in the film though.
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Not that I know of, but there are stories of shatner getting really pissy about it and not wanting him to be promoted. They were building up the sulu gets the excelsior thing as far back as ST3 and as far as I know that was always intended at some point
 
Honestly if you just read background info on some DS9 episode, Meaney seemed like a little bitch. He whined against a lot of stuff like the Leprechaun.

One of the most interesting one is in that episode where they all get turned into Klingon. Meany and Avery complained so much about the intense makeup. Rene Auberjonois and Micheal Done, who have been wearing make-up the entire run of the show got so annoyed with their whining they specially demanding they never have to do heavy makeup for the rest of the show.

Meanwhile Nana Visitor is extremely claustrophobic and she endued full Cardassian make up for one episode and did not whine like these two did.
 
I always got the impression that Meaney and Brooks thought of themselves as acteurs who were only stooping to the level of silly science fiction television for a temporary period.
 
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Not that I know of, but there are stories of shatner getting really pissy about it and not wanting him to be promoted.
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He’s like Bigfoot. With Shatner, every story you’ve ever heard about him sounds made up and yet it’s all believable because that’s the type of character he is. My favorite yarn is about him directing Star Trek V, waving his arms around and his toupee just ejects off his head. The crew laughs and he fires them on the spot. :story:
 
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At least they're doing better than Planet Scotland. (Jesus that was actually a real episode.)
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Worth keeping in mind that this was the episode where Dr Crusher read her granny's literal sex diary as her own personal spank material and started a torrid affair with the space ghost who literally fucked her granny ass to death along with every single greater granny before her for seven hundred years

Also in terms of Planet Ethnic we also have Planet Injun, home of cosmic White Guilt and some truly delicious hindsight
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Planet San Fransisco, home of the Cameltoe
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And who could forget Planet Africa
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Judge Holden said:
Also in terms of Planet Ethnic we also have Planet Injun, home of cosmic White Guilt and some truly delicious hindsight
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You know, the Federation is giga based on second thought: they told those guys to leave, because if they don't, they'll be ethnically cleansed by the space-nazi empire next door that has claim to the planet. And that is exactly what happened, while the Federation didn't give a fuck about them anymore, after the paperwork was signed.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
You know, the Federation is giga based on second thought: they told those guys to leave, because if they don't, they'll be ethnically cleansed by the space-nazi empire next door that has claim to the planet. And that is exactly what happened, while the Federation didn't give a fuck about them anymore, after the paperwork was signed.
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Those Injuns know how to pick places to live, don't they?
 
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