Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

ToroidalBoat said:
By "non-sentient" I meant non-conscious, sorta like robots in car factories IRL. They could even make holographic non-conscious robots instead of real ones for work.
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Unfortunately this is Star Trek. Everything becomes senient sooner or later, even Wesley's science experiments.
 
INDEED said:
The Federation already uses obsolete EMH models to toil in their underground sugar caves.
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SFDebris loves to point out how badly trek writers seem to understand what holograms are.

Like in that case - why would you bother with doing that? It would be like having microsoft go and put monitors in a cave so old versions of win XP can mine... whatever.

It's just data! You can make and delete thousands of them at the speed of your processor. The work putting in some kind of rendering device would probably be equal to just crafting an automated bot - a kind of miner roomba.

(Yes, however racist you think we 'bots are against meatbags, we're REALLY racist against lighters who think they get to be like us glorious A.I. metalbods.)

All puns in this post fully intended.
INDEED said:
Unfortunately this is Star Trek. Everything becomes senient sooner or later, even Wesley's science experiments.
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Wesley is so bad, even inanimate matter is gaining sentience to try and escape him.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
Why are they doing that in 19th century fashion? They couldn't give them 24th century space magic tools?
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Flexo said:
That is probably my one sympathy with the writers keep wanting to go back to prequels in trek. Because realistically the tech Trek is at now could solve almost any problem in 5 minutes.
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Orville did good by not having transporters.
 
Calandrino said:
Orville did good by not having transporters.
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Its a shame that Star Trek has pretty much always suffered from "99% of our problems could be solved if we just used the transporter" issue. But its important to remember that Star Trek was for an audience in the 60's and showing that the future would have transporters was probably mind blowing to that audience.

There is a reason later Trek series tried to downplay or make up new limitations for the transporters. The Orville simply benefits from not have the weight of that decades old canon on its shoulders.
 
The transporter was also created as a budget-saving measure for TOS. They didn't have the money for the shuttle. Both sets and VFX work.

It was a struggle during season one to try and get the money to build it. The Galileo Seven was pitched to get the cash from Desilu to build it. They still declined. Eventually, they got a Model Toy company to pay for the interior and exterior sets in exchange for being able to sell model kits of The Enterprise.
 
I'm okay with the transporters until you have episodes like Rascals or Tuvix where they do shit like de-age people or combine them into one. While Tuvix will always be remembered as Janeway's most fucked call basically marching somebody to their death because we need to maintain the status quo and revert this insane change the writers thought of. I don't understand why everybody would just die of old age if the transporter is somehow capable of reversing the aging process.
 
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
I'm okay with the transporters until you have episodes like Rascals or Tuvix where they do shit like de-age people or combine them into one.
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Imagine combining Scotty staying in a transporter buffer for eighty years with the mindfuck Tom Riker transporter cloning.
It would be possible to create real-life save points, entire clone armies and potentially live forever.
 
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
I'm okay with the transporters until you have episodes like Rascals or Tuvix where they do shit like de-age people or combine them into one. While Tuvix will always be remembered as Janeway's most fucked call
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ENT's “Similacrum” (sp? whatever, “Similitude") was perhaps a mulligan on “Tuvix.”

They knew they botched it the first time. You can’t just slap his death onto some transporter accident sitcom plotline.

In either event, Nobody cared about Tuvok. Nobody cared about Neelix. Early VOY could’ve run just fine without those guys.
 
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I rewatched the stng episode recently. Ah the days when star trek had to rely on scripts and talented theatre actors to make an espisode work.


I'd like to think that the writer René Echevarria had read some of the star trek novels that portrayed the Romulans as a sophisticated society totally disinterested in anything that happened outside of their twin home worlds, and only interested in an empire to the extent that it preserved their way of life. (the federation started the romulan war).

However the episode is apprently a straight rip off, of the Hunt for Red October which had recently been released. In fact female Romulan captain who hits so hard... the part was written for a man.

Also scenes where the crew showed they were determined to stand by their captain were cut because they wouldn't give SAG cards to the actors.
 
Trig.Point said:
I rewatched the stng episode recently. Ah the days when star trek had to rely on scripts and talented theatre actors to make an espisode work.


I'd like to think that the writer René Echevarria had read some of the star trek novels that portrayed the Romulans as a sophisticated society totally disinterested in anything that happened outside of their twin home worlds, and only interested in an empire to the extent that it preserved their way of life. (the federation started the romulan war).

However the episode is apprently a straight rip off, of the Hunt for Red October which had recently been released. In fact female Romulan captain who hits so hard... the part was written for a man.

Also scenes where the crew showed they were determined to stand by their captain were cut because they wouldn't give SAG cards to the actors.
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I do find it weird how Marina Sirtis didn't get more villain roles. Every time she plays a villain, her performances are great, but when she has to play a baby face--which is most of her career--she's so bleh.
 
Trig.Point said:
I rewatched the stng episode recently. Ah the days when star trek had to rely on scripts and talented theatre actors to make an espisode work.
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The other episode which sticks with me is "The Defector". James Sloyan looks like he’s absolutely nauseated by the politics of his planet but at the same time he’s still waving the flag, “ROMULUS NUMBAH ONE, FEDERATION HACK PTOOEY”, like he 'defects' but deep down he’s thinking “our ships are better, our hologram women are hotter, your Federation sucks.”

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I've yapped about this episode before I think, but that ending where leaves his suicide note for the future knowing nobody’s gonna read it until the embargo ends is too subtle for post-911 Trek.
 
Captain Syrup said:
The other episode which sticks with me is "The Defector". James Sloyan looks like he’s absolutely nauseated by the politics of his planet but at the same time he’s still waving the flag, “ROMULUS NUMBAH ONE, FEDERATION HACK PTOOEY”, like he 'defects' but deep down he’s thinking “our ships are better, our hologram women are hotter, your Federation sucks.”

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I've yapped about this episode before I think, but that ending where leaves his suicide note for the future knowing nobody’s gonna read it until the embargo ends is too subtle for post-911 Trek.
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When I was a kid I read some of the star trek novels by Diane Duane, which depicted the Romulans as paranoid enviromentalists... who in the words of one character were the last people in the unviverse you'd want to frighten. They were a people who'd spent generations on board ships looking for new home world and when they arrived on two seperate planets that looked like paradise to them would make a key part of their culture looking after those planets.

I have a suspician that the way Romulus and Remus were destroyed in the reimagend trek was because a couple of jews had read those novels and decided they needed to be 'deconstructed', reducing the romulans to hack villains.
 
Romulus was never destroyed. The Romulan Empire never collapsed. Star Trek after Nemesis and Enterprise doesn't exist, stalker. This is how I choose to experience Star Trek in a post-Abrams, Kurtzman era.
 
Welf Welf said:
Romulus was never destroyed. The Romulan Empire never collapsed. Star Trek after Nemesis and Enterprise doesn't exist, stalker. This is how I choose to experience Star Trek in a post-Abrams, Kurtzman era.
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I dreamed I saw Ro Laren last night, alive as you or me…
Says I, ‘but Ro, they killed you!’ She says ‘Nah bitch, in season three.
I never died,' said sheeee.
I dreamed I saw Q last night, still trolling Picard for freeee…
Says I, but Q, they killed you!” He says, “Nah, they rebooted me in "Hegemonyyy" '
 
Ok that looks a little more interesting than that first trailer I posted a little while ago. I'm most curious to see what the space combat like, it's been a long time since we had any good star trek space combat games. If I can have an option to kill Tuvix in as many different ways as I can over and over again, I'll buy the game on the first day.
 
They overthought the Star Trek transporters. Quantum patterns, Heisenberg compensators, and pattern buffers that invite endless technobabble and convenient malfunctions.

In Stargate it was just point-topoint transportation. Avoids a lot of the issues, such as solving death.
 
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